Growing tomatoes for taste (or not!)

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also read this below. It basically says the artificial ripening reduces the sugar levels in the tomato with is why they’re often flavourless and tells you what to look for, for a good tomato.

The team of researchers from UC Davis, Cornell, and Spain discovered that the pretty tomatoes we get at the supermarket have a genetic mutation causing them to have the desired uniform color but which also lessens the formation of those sugar producing chloroplasts. The culprit is SIGLK2, a Golden2-like (GLK) gene they identified in tomatoes. This gene produces a protein similar to the gene Merle Jenkins described in 1926 as being responsible for the corn stalk going from being green to a golden green with a cast of silver (his words for the color). The product of SIGLK2 is one of many different proteins that help control the photosynthesis in the plants. Without it there is less photosynthesis in the fruit (but not the leaves, as these get by with SIGLK1), which means less sugar and by-products, and therefore less taste and flavor for the fruit.

It is rare that a supermarket tomato is picked ripe. Often they are produced in greenhouses and picked while still green, transported, and when close to being placed for sale, treated with ethylene to trigger the ripening process. This artificial ripening is done by the fruit without the extra energy from the plant resulting in only a fraction of what the sugar and aroma compound production could have been.

In trying to create prettier fruit that looks riper, breeders killed the source of sweetness in the tomato. Tomatoes with SIGLK2 have more chloroplasts producing more sugars than the varieties that stock most supermarkets. And as any cook knows, when something lacks taste, or the taste is too bitter, no amount of aromatics can fix it. So next time your picking a tomato, look for signs of SIGLK2 working: a tinge of green at the stem and patchy color.

Taken from Ugly tomatoes taste better · Flavoralchemy
 
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…and that’s why I don’t buy typical supermarket tomatoes.
 
I prefer letting the local organic farmer do the growing for me. None of the work, all of the taste. Win-win for me and ‘im! :laugh:
 
The best, sweetest tomatoes I have ever tasted were grown in Maidstone, Kent... by my dad.
He'd plant them in the greenhouse in May, and they were ready to eat mid-August. Deliciously juicy and sweet, unlike any others I've ever tried.
What was the secret? Probably the miserable weather, which meant that the tomatoes grew, and ripened, slowly, so the natural sugars developed.
I've eaten tomatoes in England, France, Spain, Greece, Italy, the Czech republic, USA, Canada, Venezuela, Mexico, Ecuador and Colombia, and though many have been memorable, not one could hold a candle to my dad's.
 
The best, sweetest tomatoes I have ever tasted were grown in Maidstone, Kent... by my dad.
He'd plant them in the greenhouse in May, and they were ready to eat mid-August. Deliciously juicy and sweet, unlike any others I've ever tried.
What was the secret? Probably the miserable weather, which meant that the tomatoes grew, and ripened, slowly, so the natural sugars developed.
I've eaten tomatoes in England, France, Spain, Greece, Italy, the Czech republic, USA, Canada, Venezuela, Mexico, Ecuador and Colombia, and though many have been memorable, not one could hold a candle to my dad's.
I know what you mean.
My mum had a greenhouse for a while and grew tomatoes that were fantastic but also grew these small yellow round cucumbers about the size of a tomato.
God they were amazing. I used to go in there at eat them straight from the vine. I've never experienced anything cucumber good again.

Perhaps I should find out what they were and grow some?! 🤷‍♀️
 
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also read this below. It basically says the artificial ripening reduces the sugar levels in the tomato with is why they’re often flavourless and tells you what to look for, for a good tomato.

The team of researchers from UC Davis, Cornell, and Spain discovered that the pretty tomatoes we get at the supermarket have a genetic mutation causing them to have the desired uniform color but which also lessens the formation of those sugar producing chloroplasts. The culprit is SIGLK2, a Golden2-like (GLK) gene they identified in tomatoes. This gene produces a protein similar to the gene Merle Jenkins described in 1926 as being responsible for the corn stalk going from being green to a golden green with a cast of silver (his words for the color). The product of SIGLK2 is one of many different proteins that help control the photosynthesis in the plants. Without it there is less photosynthesis in the fruit (but not the leaves, as these get by with SIGLK1), which means less sugar and by-products, and therefore less taste and flavor for the fruit.

It is rare that a supermarket tomato is picked ripe. Often they are produced in greenhouses and picked while still green, transported, and when close to being placed for sale, treated with ethylene to trigger the ripening process. This artificial ripening is done by the fruit without the extra energy from the plant resulting in only a fraction of what the sugar and aroma compound production could have been.

In trying to create prettier fruit that looks riper, breeders killed the source of sweetness in the tomato. Tomatoes with SIGLK2 have more chloroplasts producing more sugars than the varieties that stock most supermarkets. And as any cook knows, when something lacks taste, or the taste is too bitter, no amount of aromatics can fix it. So next time your picking a tomato, look for signs of SIGLK2 working: a tinge of green at the stem and patchy color.

Taken from Ugly tomatoes taste better · Flavoralchemy
Yeah, a lot of the tomatoes we see in supermarkets have a genetic mutation that makes them look nice but takes away their flavor. Most of the time, tomatoes are picked when they're green and treated with ethylene to ripen them before they hit the shelves.
 
Yeah, a lot of the tomatoes we see in supermarkets have a genetic mutation that makes them look nice but takes away their flavor. Most of the time, tomatoes are picked when they're green and treated with ethylene to ripen them before they hit the shelves.
Pretty sure it all applies to the UK as well, our supermarket tomatoes were absolutely dire for a long long time.

Now some of them are not bad at all but it took a lot of moaning (and bad reviews) for a long time before they improved.

Tomatoes and the worse supermarket offenders - strawberries. Beautifully red and plump on the outside and white and tasteless heading towards bitter on the inside.
Strawberries may have improved, they probably have but I still don't buy them now because of it!
 
I know what you mean.
My mum had a greenhouse for a while and grew tomatoes that were fantastic but also grew these small yellow round cucumbers about the size of a tomato.
God they were amazing. I used to go in there at eat them straight from the vine. I've never experienced anything cucumber good again.

Perhaps I should find out what they were and grow some?! 🤷‍♀️

SandwichShortOfAPicnic

I don't know about international shipping but here's a link to a lot of cucumber varieties; give you a starting point.

Cucumber Seeds | Baker Creek Heirloom Seeds
 
Pretty sure it all applies to the UK as well, our supermarket tomatoes were absolutely dire for a long long time.

Now some of them are not bad at all but it took a lot of moaning (and bad reviews) for a long time before they improved.

Tomatoes and the worse supermarket offenders - strawberries. Beautifully red and plump on the outside and white and tasteless heading towards bitter on the inside.
Strawberries may have improved, they probably have but I still don't buy them now because of it!
Strawberries have always tasted terrible, and they're no better now. But they smell and look amazing!
 
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