Recreational stuff

Morning Glory said:
Despite my hippy days back in the '60s, I never touched weed or any drugs with the exception of alcohol. My son got himself in a very bad way as a result of the former when he was very young. It messed with his growing brain. He never really got over it, although he is clean now. He still has psychotic issues. Of course, it doesn't necessarily affect everyone in that way but its certainly not a good idea to be using it regularly. Whoever said weed wasn't addictive was wrong. Maybe dependency is the right word rather than addiction but at the end of the day it is bad news.
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Weed has a lot to answer for, especially the young ones, one of my wife's friends son (18) late last year jumped off a bridge flyover, broke lots of bones and slowly recovering. He was smoking dope at 13 his mum told my wife. Brain not fully grown does so much damage, he's under specialist counciling . They aren't allowed to ask why? But they know it was the weed.

Russ
 
rascal said:
Weed has a lot to answer for, especially the young ones, one of my wife's friends son (18) late last year jumped off a bridge flyover, broke lots of bones and slowly recovering. He was smoking dope at 13 his mum told my wife. Brain not fully grown does so much damage, he's under specialist counciling . They aren't allowed to ask why? But they know it was the weed.

Russ
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I think it was a lot more than the weed. Addicted people tend to use drugs and alcohol to "self medicate" when they are having mental and emotional issues. The drugs and alcohol are an effect of the underlying problem, not the cause. That's why good, medical addiction treatment focuses on the underlying problem -- the "why" behind the drug/alcohol abuse. Just my two-cents.

CD
 
caseydog said:
I think it was a lot more than the weed. Addicted people tend to use drugs and alcohol to "self medicate" when they are having mental and emotional issues. The drugs and alcohol are an effect of the underlying problem, not the cause. That's why good, medical addiction treatment focuses on the underlying problem -- the "why" behind the drug/alcohol abuse. Just my two-cents.

CD
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I think you are right. I smoked a lot of pot in the late 70s/early 80s and I (nor my other pot-smoking friends) ever felt like hurting ourselves and others. I think there was more to this story than the kid was letting on.
 
caseydog said:
Weed isn't physically addictive in the way that opioids, and even alcohol are. You can get emotionally addicted to it, but you can get emotionally addicted to anything. My dad was a workaholic. 50-plus how work weeks were the norm for him -- and he loved it. You might say that he "got high on work." He still can't just sit and do nothing at 88. "I work, therefore I am," to paraphrase Descartes.

CD
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caseydog said:
I think it was a lot more than the weed. Addicted people tend to use drugs and alcohol to "self medicate" when they are having mental and emotional issues. The drugs and alcohol are an effect of the underlying problem, not the cause. That's why good, medical addiction treatment focuses on the underlying problem -- the "why" behind the drug/alcohol abuse. Just my two-cents.

CD
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The parents are the nicest people, hell his dad's an air New Zealand pilot, but the son was sneaky away with his mates, the people helping out said its the brain not fully developed that was behind it. His mum now warns his friends who call around, any weed and you are banned from the house. Everyone is on the right page ATM. Man I feel for them all. I offered my kids a cash payment when they were 12 or 13, stay off drugs until 20 and I'll give you cash payment. They never touched nor asked for the payment. Different way of handling things but I'm different to most people. :)

Russ
 
Has anyone known anyone who has never ever smoked or drunk anything that gets you high? Including all the green stuff and wine and beer?
 
lastmanstanding said:
I meant to ask if you know anyone who doesn't have that experience of getting high: never smoked never drunk any kind of alcohol etc., ever in their whole life. :) I know one person.
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Oh I see! Sorry I wasn't reading your post correctly. My mistake. I know (and knew) a few people who have not got high on anything but most have had a least one or two alcoholic drinks at sometime in their lives. There will be people, particularly those brought up in strict religious communities (like the Amish in the USA) who will never have touched any drugs including alcohol.
 
Morning Glory said:
Oh I see! Sorry I wasn't reading your post correctly. My mistake. I know (and knew) a few people who have not got high on anything but most have had a least one or two alcoholic drinks at sometime in their lives. There will be people, particularly those brought up in strict religious communities (like the Amish in the USA) who will never have touched any drugs including alcohol.
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Well, now you know one person for sure. I am one of them, and wasn't brought up in a strict environment. I'm an atheist, never ever been religious, my dad drank, my brother drinks, all my friends drink and do weed. Some of them do other synthetic stuff too. I've never wanted to drink, not by any other reason but never felt like doing it. Maybe because I was the one who had to clean up when my friends were drunk and vomiting during school days decades ago. Somehow it happened that way. lol.
 
lastmanstanding said:
I meant to ask if you know anyone who doesn't have that experience of getting high: never smoked never drunk any kind of alcohol etc., ever in their whole life. :) I know one person.
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I was in High School in the 70s, and college in 79 and the early 80s. So... no. :laugh:

CD
 
lastmanstanding said:
Well, now you know one person for sure. I am one of them, and wasn't brought up in a strict environment. I'm an atheist, never ever been religious, my dad drank, my brother drinks, all my friends drink and do weed. Some of them do other synthetic stuff too. I've never wanted to drink, not by any other reason but never felt like doing it. Maybe because I was the one who had to clean up when my friends were drunk and vomiting during school days decades ago. Somehow it happened that way. lol.
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You keep it that way! Is it unusual on your island to be an atheist? I don't know how religious the people of Sri Lanka are.
 
caseydog said:
I don't know how it could be more unusual than being an atheist in Dallas, Texas. :laugh:

CD
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Yeah, I know! Its strange (is it?) how we have so many atheists or agnostics here. Religion in the UK is nowhere near as 'dominant' as in the USA and most people I know are non-believers.
 
Morning Glory said:
Yeah, I know! Its strange (is it?) how we have so many atheists or agnostics here. Religion in the UK is nowhere near as 'dominant' as in the USA and most people I know are non-believers.
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We have a lot of Bible Thumpers in North Texas -- and Texas, as a whole. That's why we have such messed up alcohol laws, and why I can't see marijuana ever being legalized here.

CD
 
I have no addictions, despite being exposed to just about anything when I was younger and trying a bunch of stuff. I didn't exactly came from a safe environment, so I met all the wrong types who liked to give a young girl drugs to have fun with her.
I tried all the hallucinogenic drugs out there except dmt, so weed/lsd/ketamine/extasy/mdma/2cb/shrooms and probably something else. I loved the 'spiritual' experience trips gave me, but all in all in only tried every one of them once or twice then never touched it again. I smoked for a while when I was with a boyfriend who smoked weed, but quit after our relationship ended. I enjoyed hallucinogenic drugs, but I quit because I didn't want to start liking them too much.
I never liked alcohol and still don't like it much, so I have not drank it for years. Only the last three years I like to cook with wine and sometimes drink a cider or some liqour but never more frequently than one glass per two months or so, usually when going out.

Maybe food is my addiction, I don't know if binge eating disorder qualifies as such but I can imagine it does. I can't restrict myself food wise, if I do I eventually binge and gain weight instead of lose it. That my weight has been stable for 5 years is about the best I can do for myself, which of course is no ideal situation given my fatness. But losing weight only to gain more as I have done for years is also no solution.

As for medical drugs, I have had many opiods and the only one I did find somewhat addictive was oxycodone at a very high dose. It made me feel so peaceful that I wanted more of it, so that's why I quit. I wish I had that kind of strength with food .
 
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