How is the corona virus affecting you?

[garlichead]

Isn't it weird that he trusted the doctors to treat his cancer but won't trust the doctors when they tell him to get vaccinate

Why do you think that might be the case, logically? Build a case based on the fact that you don't trust the science around vaccines, what do you come up with? Scientific data that is verifiable is a minimum requirement.

 

[caseydog]

Such an overwhelming, interwoven mess, dividing our country on many fronts, pitting families and friends against each other..bringing out the worst in people of all political stripes...on one hand I can agree with some and at the same time disagree with the same people for other issues..I think a lot of it boils down to personal choice and those who don't want people to have it..there will never be an agreement on that..

My feeling is, if people don't want to get vaxxed, fine, don't get vaxxed. If they die, they die. But, if you work for ME, in my place of business, don't bother coming to work. Go find another job. But no, we can't have that. That's not "fair" to the anti-vaxxers. They have the "right" to come into my workplace and spread Covid. That's what I hear from people like these so called "freedom truckers." "I can do whatever I want, and you have to accept it. Otherwise, I'm going to shut down your businesses, and blow my horns at night, until I get what I want."

That's my issue with what's going on, not only in Canada, but in the USA. Who is dividing us, the majority who are doing their part to minimize the impact of Covid on society, or the minority who are demanding that we kiss their... feet?

I didn't just get vaccinated for my own good, I got vaccinated for the good of everyone around me. The anti-vaxxers are telling me, i don't care about you, I want what I want, and you better give it to me. Me, me, me, me me.

My grandparents generation, who made BIG sacrifices for the common good during WWII and the Great Depression, certainly more than getting a few little shots, are probably rolling in their graves. Can you imagine this happening in 2022?

CD

 

[caseydog]

Isn't it weird that he trusted the doctors to treat his cancer but won't trust the doctors when they tell him to get vaccinated?

Yep, and he's not stupid. He got good grades in school, and has a college degree. He lives in Port Arthur, Texas, and there's a lot of misinformation floating around in small towns like that.

CD

 

[garlichead]

My feeling is, if people don't want to get vaxxed, fine, don't get vaxxed. If they die, they die. But, if you work for ME, in my place of business, don't bother coming to work. Go find another job. But no, we can't have that. That's not "fair" to the anti-vaxxers. They have the "right" to come into my workplace and spread Covid. That's what I hear from people like these so called "freedom truckers." "I can do whatever I want, and you have to accept it. Otherwise, I'm going to shut down your businesses, and blow my horns at night, until I get what I want."

That's my issue with what's going on, not only in Canada, but in the USA. Who is dividing us, the majority who are doing their part to minimize the impact of Covid on society, or the minority who are demanding that we kiss their... feet?

I didn't just get vaccinated for my own good, I got vaccinated for the good of everyone around me. The anti-vaxxers are telling me, i don't care about you, I want what I want, and you better give it to me. Me, me, me, me me.

My grandparents generation, who made BIG sacrifices for the common good during WWII and the Great Depression, certainly more than getting a few little shots, are probably rolling in their graves.

CD

The vast majority of people spreading covid now are the fully vaxxed, why do you think that is, scientifically and not your personal feelings.

 

[JAS_OH1]

Yep, and he's not stupid. He got good grades in school, and has a college degree. He lives in Port Arthur, Texas, and there's a lot of misinformation floating around in small towns like that.

CD

It's so weird how so many smart people think stupidly. My cousins live there (as you know) and are savvy and pay attention to facts and science, not hearsay. Mind boggling that others don't.

 

[caseydog]

The vast majority of people spreading covid now are the fully vaxxed, why do you think that is, scientifically and not your personal feelings.

Easy, Vaccinated people are NOT as likely to spread the coronavirus as the unvaccinated. Scientifically.

Now, if 90 percent of Canadians are vaccinated, then there aren't that many unvaccinated people around to spread the virus. But, the science is clear -- vaccinated people who contract Covid are LESS likely to spread it to somebody else. For one thing, vaccinated people who contract Covid are statistically contagious for shorter periods of time. The window of opportunity for them to spread the coronavirus is smaller.

Covid vaccines work. Period. Do they work perfectly, no. But, the science is solidly in favor of getting vaccinated, over not getting vaccinated.

CD

 

[garlichead]

Easy, Vaccinated people are NOT as likely to spread the coronavirus as the unvaccinated. Scientifically.

Now, if 90 percent of Canadians are vaccinated, then there aren't that many unvaccinated people around to spread the virus. But, the science is clear -- vaccinated people who contract Covid are LESS likely to spread it to somebody else. For one thing, vaccinated people who contract Covid are statistically contagious for shorter periods of time. The window of opportunity for them to spread the coronavirus is smaller.

Covid vaccines work. Period. Do they work perfectly, no. But, the science is solidly in favor of getting vaccinated, over not getting vaccinated.

Now, I'm worn out. I'm not going to argue with anti-vaxxers anymore. Keep up your crusade, if you wish. I'm done. I'm putting this thread on "ignore."

CD

The actually science is that the vaccinated and the unvaccinated spread corvid equally. Viral Loads Similar Between Vaccinated and Unvaccinated People . Covid-19: Fully vaccinated people can carry as much delta virus as unvaccinated people, data indicate It's the viral load like I explained a few posts back that is crucial to understand.

I'm a staunch supporter of vaccination. Of course vaccinations work, and never said otherwise but that was not the argument. The question was can vaccinated people spread covid the same as the unvaccinated. The only thing that I endeavor to uncover is the truth and I have no political affiliation what so ever.

 

[JAS_OH1]

The actually science is that the vaccinated and the unvaccinated spread corvid equally. Viral Loads Similar Between Vaccinated and Unvaccinated People . Covid-19: Fully vaccinated people can carry as much delta virus as unvaccinated people, data indicate It's the viral load like I explained a few posts back that is crucial to understand.

I'm a staunch supporter of vaccination. Of course vaccinations work, and never said otherwise but that was not the argument. The question was can vaccinated people spread covid the same as the unvaccinated. The only thing that I endeavor to uncover is the truth and I have no political affiliation what so ever.

Look. It stands to reason that if an unvaccinated person contracts Covid-19, they are going to be sicker for longer, which gives them more opportunity to spread the virus than a vaccinated person who recovers quickly. Also if they have more symptoms than a vaccinated person does, they are likely going to sneeze and cough more frequently and forcefully, spreading the virus more prolifically than someone with a few sniffles who had been jabbed 3x. So even if the viral load in each is about the same, the unvaccinated person is more likely to spread the virus to others than the vaccinated person, in my opinion.

My oldest daughter's in-laws are antivaxxers (they were the reason she was apprehensive to get the vaccine for so long, filling her head with misinformation). They tested positive 2.5 weeks ago and just retested yesterday, both were very ill but not hospitalized. The MIL is still testing positive, the FIL is now negative. Both are still symptomatic. They were watching my granddaughter while my daughter was at work so it's been a hardship to find alternate daycare (I live 2 hours away so I can't help). But at least the in-laws are isolating. The experts have said that 5-10 days is enough time to quarantine after testing positive. Apparently that is incorrect if Marcela is still testing positive 17 days after her 1st test.

My youngest daughter was fully vaccinated and so was her fiance, and they live together. He contracted Covid-19, she did not. They shared the same bed, bathroom, kitchen, etc. for 10 days during isolation. She not only was asymptomatic, but tested negative 3x during that period. In my mind, the vaccines worked to keep her well. Her fiance is 10 years older than she is and has asthma, which probably made him more susceptible. He didn't get gravely ill thankfully.

The science isn't perfect, the studies are not perfect, and people are not perfect. Oh well.

 

[Morning Glory]

The actually science is that the vaccinated and the unvaccinated spread corvid equally. Viral Loads Similar Between Vaccinated and Unvaccinated People . Covid-19: Fully vaccinated people can carry as much delta virus as unvaccinated people, data indicate It's the viral load like I explained a few posts back that is crucial to understand.

This study is slightly more recent that the one's you cite and concludes that:

Vaccination reduces the risk of delta variant infection and accelerates viral clearance. Nonetheless, fully vaccinated individuals with breakthrough infections have peak viral load similar to unvaccinated cases and can efficiently transmit infection in household settings, including to fully vaccinated contacts. Host–virus interactions early in infection may shape the entire viral trajectory.

Community transmission and viral load kinetics of the SARS-CoV-2 delta (B.1.617.2) variant in vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals in the UK: a prospective, longitudinal, cohort study


None of these studies can be said to be 100% conclusive since the data is not 100% comprehensive regarding the whole population.

Mod.comment: the theme of this thread is 'how is the corona virus affecting you?' and its not really the place for detailed debates about the science. There are, I'm sure, many more appropriate internet forums where such detailed discussion of the science can take place.

 

[JAS_OH1]

Mod.comment: the theme of this thread is 'how is the corona virus affecting you?' and its not really the place for detailed debates about the science. There are, I'm sure, many more appropriate internet forums where such detailed discussion of the science can take place.

The way things are going, this thread will probably die out soon because the corona virus will no longer be greatly impacting most people's lives and there really won't be much more to talk about. Caseloads and deaths are going down everywhere, and unless we get a new variant that is more dangerous, most of our lives will be going back to "normal"--maybe a new normal but still much better than what we were dealing with this time last year.

My in-laws have started going back out (both in their late 70s) to restaurants and stores. They wear masks but are less fearful. They mentioned to us last weekend that they would like to go out for sushi sometime. I still think I would rather just order sushi carryout and eat it at our house or theirs than to actually sit inside of a restaurant.

I might be ready to get on a plane and go to visit my family in Texas next Thanksgiving. We shall see. I am definitely feeling more comfortable going back to work, though I was in a store in Lima, OH (fairly rural) on Friday working on a market research project, and maybe 10% of the people were wearing masks (of course I was masked). So some people are apparently WAY more comfortable than I am!!!!

 

[garlichead]

The way things are going, this thread will probably die out soon because the corona virus will no longer be greatly impacting most people's lives and there really won't be much more to talk about. Caseloads and deaths are going down everywhere, and unless we get a new variant that is more dangerous, most of our lives will be going back to "normal"--maybe a new normal but still much better than what we were dealing with this time last year.

With the Exception of our Federal Gov't most provinces are lifting most restrictions and we can legally get back to a somewhat pre pandemic existence. Omicron has reduced the death rate, which is the driving force for this and over the course of this pandemic the risk of death for the population as a whole was around 0.1% ish and it will be interesting to see with Omicron what the extent of the risk reduction is.

 

[karadekoolaid]

OK - so I´ve got Covid. Did a test this morning and it´s positive.
Do I feel anything? Nope; only congestion (which I´ve had since I left the US 3 weeks ago, thanks to the air conditioning/heating). No fever, no symptoms of imminent death, nothing.
We went to a football (soccer) game on Saturday and then went to a very packed pub for a beer or two. Must have been that .

 

[FowlersFreeTime]

OK - so I´ve got Covid. Did a test this morning and it´s positive.
Do I feel anything? Nope; only congestion (which I´ve had since I left the US 3 weeks ago, thanks to the air conditioning/heating). No fever, no symptoms of imminent death, nothing.
We went to a football (soccer) game on Saturday and then went to a very packed pub for a beer or two. Must have been that .

Probably Omicron, the same mild variant that I had. Rest up, minimize your exposure to anyone else, and you should test negative in about a week. Salud!

 

[FowlersFreeTime]

The way things are going, this thread will probably die out soon because the corona virus will no longer be greatly impacting most people's lives and there really won't be much more to talk about. Caseloads and deaths are going down everywhere, and unless we get a new variant that is more dangerous, most of our lives will be going back to "normal"--maybe a new normal but still much better than what we were dealing with this time last year.

My in-laws have started going back out (both in their late 70s) to restaurants and stores. They wear masks but are less fearful. They mentioned to us last weekend that they would like to go out for sushi sometime. I still think I would rather just order sushi carryout and eat it at our house or theirs than to actually sit inside of a restaurant.

I might be ready to get on a plane and go to visit my family in Texas next Thanksgiving. We shall see. I am definitely feeling more comfortable going back to work, though I was in a store in Lima, OH (fairly rural) on Friday working on a market research project, and maybe 10% of the people were wearing masks (of course I was masked). So some people are apparently WAY more comfortable than I am!!!!

I have flown internationally and domestically a few times during this Coronapocalypse, and I have no problem wearing the mask on the airplane. I will continue to do so for the foreseeable future. I do look forward to the ease in testing requirements though. That was expensive and difficult to organize sometimes to get a test done 24-48 hrs before a flight, especially if traveling around holidays.

 

[JAS_OH1]

I have flown internationally and domestically a few times during this Coronapocalypse, and I have no problem wearing the mask on the airplane. I will continue to do so for the foreseeable future. I do look forward to the ease in testing requirements though. That was expensive and difficult to organize sometimes to get a test done 24-48 hrs before a flight, especially if traveling around holidays.

I will wear a mask everywhere I go, long after they relax any regulations. I only flew once during this pandemic and it's because I wanted to say goodbye to my aunt in Texas before she passed away. Heck, I am still doing most of my shopping online or curbside. I am back to work a little but you'd better believe I am remaining masked while doing so!

I miss going to Mexico every winter. This winter has been hard for me to deal with thus far. Thankfully spring isn't far away, but we won't have any actual "warm" weather until June. They advise not planting most summer crops until after Memorial day where I live because of frost danger. Yes, we have had snow in May before!