How is the corona virus affecting you?

caseydog said:
Counterpoint...

My best friend and his wife have still not been vaccinated. They are still "thinking about it." Why, because the anti-gov't crowd and non "legacy" media keep telling people not to get the shots, for various reasons from you'll go sterile to mind control nano-bots in the shots. In my friend's case, he read/heard somewhere that he shouldn't get the vax because he was treated for cancer three years ago. He knows I've been treated for cancer and got vaccinated, and I asked him if he talked to his oncologist (at MD Anderson Caner Center) about it, and his oncologist recommended that he get the vaccination. But, the "alternative facts" media say we shouldn't trust doctors and scientists.

So on one hand, you have people afraid to go out of the house, and on the other you have people afraid to get a safe and effective vaccine that could save their lives.

CD
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I have a friend who isn't vaccinated but that's because the woman he's pursuing isn't either and I told him that's a big sacrifice. I have no idea who those anti gov't crowds are or where they get their information and not interested at all. There's alternative journalism including real science journalism by real scientists from real universities like Harvard, John Hopkins, Oxford et al and real medical journals like the AMA and BMJ, and then there's conspiracy theories. If a person can't get a consensus on the science or if something doesn't sound exactly right, then more inquiry is needed, period and a person should engage in some due diligence. Personally I try to stay Alt-middle and try to engage is conversation and free thought but that's getting harder and harder.

As far as legacy media is concerned, I do watch mostly with real amusement and astonishment on how wrong they get it most of the time from CBC, CNN, BBC and FOX for example but would never actually take anything they said literally without verification from a few other sources first, and the commercials on TV is another reason I don't watch cable. For example, people in Canada really don't watch legacy media any more than people listen to it in your Country. What does CNN draw on viewership, less than a million a day and that includes all the airports around the world where people are forced to watch CNN.
 
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caseydog said:
Here is some irony for you. FOXnews is going all out in support of the "Canadian Freedom Truckers," who are fighting vaccine mandates. EVERYONE at FOXnews is required to be vaccinated. FOX has a vaccine mandate! :laugh:

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Can't imagine anyone having an opinion about mandates, it's been decreed, therefore conform or be ready to pay the consequence's. The truckers are going to pay, no doubt about it. Our gov't just invoked the 'Emergencies Act' previously called the "war measures act" that gives the gov't sweeping powers which has never been done before. The truckers insurance on their vehicles have been cancelled and they lose their trucking license for life, a 100,000 fine, their bank accounts frozen along with any citizen that donated any money regardless of how much. Also their trucks will be seized, all animals will go to the SPCA for adoption or euthanized, their children will go to child services and about 1/4 of the truckers have their family with them and they all face 10 years in jail. Also the emergency act can by decree enlist the help of any citizens they feel, which includes me, including tow truck drivers and the companies to supply the gov't with the tools to make this happen. Up until now tow truck drivers and companies have refused. This over truckers blocking some streets close to parliament protesting gov't overreach, now that is ironic. The truckers are 90% fully vaxxed, imagine that.
 
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garlichead said:
Can't imagine anyone having an opinion about mandates, it's been decreed, therefore conform or be ready to pay the consequence's. The truckers are going to pay, no doubt about it. Our gov't just invoked the 'Emergencies Act' previously called the "war measures act" that gives the gov't sweeping powers which has never been done before. The truckers insurance on their vehicles have been cancelled and they lose their trucking license for life, a 100,000 fine, their bank accounts frozen along with any citizen that donated any money regardless of how much. Also their trucks will be seized, all animals will go to the SPCA for adoption or euthanized, their children will go to child services and about 1/4 of the truckers have their family with them and they all face 10 years in jail. Also the emergency act can by decree enlist the help of any citizens they feel, including tow truck drivers and the companies to supply the gov't with the tools to make this happen. This over truckers blocking some streets close to parliament protesting gov't overreach, now that is ironic.
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Pardon me if I find much of this this hard to believe. Trucks being towed and impounded for blocking roads and bridges, yes, I can believe that. I'm in favor of that.

On the other hand, the overwhelming majority of Canada's truck drivers want no part of this convoy. This looks just like what I see here in the US, a small minority of the people with a political agenda making life difficult for everyone else.

CD
 
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caseydog said:
Pardon me if I find much of this this hard to believe. Trucks being towed and impounded for blocking roads and bridges, yes, I can believe that. I'm in favor of that. The rest of your post doesn't pass the smell test.

On the other hand, the overwhelming majority of Canada's truck drivers want no part of this convoy. This looks just like what I see here in the US, a small minority of the people with a political agenda making life difficult for everyone else.

CD
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You don't know what you don't know. For anyone interested there's many sources to engage in due diligence, which I encourage.
 
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The 'Emercency Act' formally the 'war measures act' is not joke, the power is broad and extreme, which would make sense if Canada was under siege and normally with these measures the European Union and the weight of the US gov't would be required to help, if need be. As far as Trudeau is concerned the truckers parked in front of parliament was enough to evoke the act.
 
garlichead said:
The truckers insurance on their vehicles have been cancelled and they lose their trucking license for life, a 100,000 fine, their bank accounts frozen along with any citizen that donated any money regardless of how much. Also their trucks will be seized, all animals will go to the SPCA for adoption or euthanized, their children will go to child services and about 1/4 of the truckers have their family with them and they all face 10 years in jail. Also the emergency act can by decree enlist the help of any citizens they feel, which includes me, including tow truck drivers and the companies to supply the gov't with the tools to make this happen. Up until now tow truck drivers and companies have refused. This over truckers blocking some streets close to parliament protesting gov't overreach, now that is ironic. The truckers are 90% fully vaxxed, imagine that.
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Mod. comment: Please cite sources for this detailed information regarding the fate of the truckers and their families.
 
garlichead said:
Children's Aid Society urges Ottawa convoy protesters to make arrangements for kids' care
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Reading that, it sounds like authorities being concerned about children being put at risk by their parents.

“It’s something that greatly concerns us,” then-Deputy Police Chief Steve Bell said. “From the risk of carbon monoxide and fumes, the noise levels … we’re concerned about cold, we’re concerned about access to sanitation, the ability to shower.”

CD
 
caseydog said:
Reading that, it sounds like authorities being concerned about children being put at risk by their parents.

“It’s something that greatly concerns us,” then-Deputy Police Chief Steve Bell said. “From the risk of carbon monoxide and fumes, the noise levels … we’re concerned about cold, we’re concerned about access to sanitation, the ability to shower.”

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Yes, that was addressed at the beginning of the protest. The Ottawa police services called Child Services very early in the mandate protest and Child Services came out to assess and concluded there was no threat for children and continues to monitor the situation. Actually these kids have engaged in sports and a few bouncy castles have been erected for their amusement and compared to what kids have had to endure with lockdowns, school closures, masking etc for the last 2 years this was the first time for many kids that could actually engage in kid stuff, imagine that. With the 'Emergency Act, kids will now be separated from parents regardless but assured that the reunions will happen as quickly as possible.
 
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Ottawa Police Services also attempted to remove all fuel, which they actually did, hoping that would work with the potential of freezing weather to get them to leave. The lawyers for the convoy had that reversed and the Police and wasn't actually legal and had to bring the fuel back, but they sabotaged all the fuel by adding water. Is that even legal, not sure.
 
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Rocklobster said:
Oh, no! More “experts” LOL
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Such an overwhelming, interwoven mess, dividing our country on many fronts, pitting families and friends against each other..bringing out the worst in people of all political stripes...on one hand I can agree with some and at the same time disagree with the same people for other issues..I think a lot of it boils down to personal choice and those who don't want people to have it..there will never be an agreement on that..
 
Rocklobster said:
Such an overwhelming, interwoven mess, dividing our country on many fronts, pitting families and friends against each other..bringing out the worst in people of all political stripes...on one hand I can agree with some and at the same time disagree with the same people for other issues..I think a lot of it boils down to personal choice and those who don't want people to have it..there will never be an agreement on that..
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It's very disturbing to say the least, I'm very worried this divide is only the beginning. Trudeau cancelled Parliament yesterday which is the day the opposition can ask questions regarding the newly evoked 'Emercency Act' this I find inconceivable, but there it is.
 
caseydog said:
Counterpoint...

My best friend and his wife have still not been vaccinated. They are still "thinking about it." Why, because the anti-gov't crowd and non "legacy" media keep telling people not to get the shots, for various reasons from you'll go sterile to mind control nano-bots in the shots. In my friend's case, he read/heard somewhere that he shouldn't get the vax because he was treated for cancer three years ago. He knows I've been treated for cancer and got vaccinated, and I asked him if he talked to his oncologist (at MD Anderson Caner Center) about it, and his oncologist recommended that he get the vaccination. But, the "alternative facts" media say we shouldn't trust doctors and scientists.

So on one hand, you have people afraid to go out of the house, and on the other you have people afraid to get a safe and effective vaccine that could save their lives.

CD
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Isn't it weird that he trusted the doctors to treat his cancer but won't trust the doctors when they tell him to get vaccinated?
 
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