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I wasn't thinking about the safety of the building, I am sure it met the safety standard, my point is that tornado warnings were given so surely the towns should have been on lockdown?

We don't do lockdowns for tornados. People who live in tornado prone areas make plans for such an event. The tornado sirens and warnings, which include warnings sent to your smartphone, just tell you there is a possible tornado coming. People are expected to take cover on their own.

Actually, we do not do lockdowns for anything other than active shooter situations in or near schools (which happens too often).

CD
 
I haven't had a cavity since the early 1970s. This tooth just broke. I don't know why.

My numbness is wearing off, and my chin is itching, but scratching it does no good.

CD
 
I made an appointment today for a root canal the week after Christmas. 😣

I haven't had a cavity since the early 1970s. This tooth just broke. I don't know why.

My numbness is wearing off, and my chin is itching, but scratching it does no good.

CD
I won't tell you guys what I use to do :rolleyes:
 
You can't evacuate "away from the path" of a tornado. They have very unpredictable paths, and by the time you know you are in the path, it is too late to leave. Besides, they LAST place you want to be when a tornado hits is in a car. The car becomes a tumbleweed, and the occupants often die.

CD

Fair enough. I was just making the point that locking down wouldn't work unless there are tornado proof secure bunkers for everyone to be in. Simply staying indoors doesn't mean you are safe, since whole houses are decimated.
 
I have had a Thai driving licence now for about 18 years. I did not need to surrender my UK licence (which has now expired - when I was 70). I do not have a Thai ID but I could obtain one (about £1.20) but generally my driving licence will suffice (and, if not, my passport).

My Thai driving licence expired at the end of this year.

I passed the test last week (watch an on-line video for around an hour and then answer three multiple choice questions on line).

We went to DLT office today at my appointed time (0900) to be told that my passport, yellow house book and test results were insufficient - I would need a Thai ID card. The "boss" said either that or a letter from Immigration confirming my address". "But that's what the yellow house book is for". "No, it is not sufficient for me" she said "Why don't you go to Prassat?" Prassat is a town 30 kilometres south but in the same province.

So we went to Prassat and obtained the new licence no problem. Provided the old licence, passport, yellow house book and test results and signed a form that they prepared for me. Colour blindness test (a batch of three lights which vary in the three traffic light colours), reaction test (braking) but no depth perception test (the equipment may have been captained).

My wife insisted that we obtain a pink I.D. this afternoon which, considering the ID number on it is the same as that on the yellow house book makes a mockery of the old bitch's requirements.
 
Fair enough. I was just making the point that locking down wouldn't work unless there are tornado proof secure bunkers for everyone to be in. Simply staying indoors doesn't mean you are safe, since whole houses are decimated.
I think it's a mindset you just grow up with if you live in a tornado-prone area (which is most of the middle of the US, top to bottom).

That mindset is, when you hear the sirens, wherever you are, get to the lowest/most inside place you can, put your head between your knees, and be prepared to kiss your a** goodbye, because there isn't a whole lot else you can do.

Growing up, we had a great place to shelter - a root cellar built into the earth, with just the front exposed. That's close to as good as it gets. My brother has the same situation at his house now.

You can, of course, buy purpose-built little shelters that are installed in the same fashion, but they're not cheap, and I have only ever known one person who had one.

Most people head to the basement if they have it, or a crawl space (that's what we have), or an inside room with no windows, frequently a bathroom. The advice used to be to get in the tub and pull a mattress over yourself, but that's when tubs were porcelain and affixed pretty solidly to the house. Nowadays they're flimsy plastic things, so that's probably not so effective these days. If you're in a car, you're supposed to get out and run to the lowest area, like the ditch along the road or even inside a culvert or drain pipe, if you think there's no issue with flooding.

The way it works here, first we get a tornado watch - every kid learns that means "conditions are right for a tornado to form," followed by a warning, which means "a tornado has been spotted in your area, seek shelter NOW!" - that's usually when the sirens go off.

Nowadays, they've taken to sounding the sirens earlier rather than later (at least in this area), with the idea that people would seek shelter earlier - nope, it's had the opposite effect, a sort of boy-who-cried-wolf effect. After every storm that passes through where they've sounded the sirens, there will be complaints in the paper and online the following days saying that the sirens were sounded unnecessarily, causing people to shelter and worry unnecessarily, to the point that now, we don't really pay close attention to warnings or sirens.

For those storms that came through most recently, when it looked like they would pass over our area, all the news stations were warning ahead of time, over and over, saying "these are active storms, do not expect any warning, by the time you hear the sirens, it'll be too late, because these will be rapidly-developing tornadoes, and they'll be on the ground before you know it," but we just took the usual precaution of leaving our phones on for alerts and went to bed, as they were predicted to pass through around 3AM. Not much else we could do.

I've been up close and personal to several tornadoes, though thankfully, none have ever hit us directly. They are terrifying, and that's an understatement, but if you live in a tornado area, you learn to live with it.
 
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I think it's a mindset you just grow up with if you live in a tornado-prone area (which is most of the middle of the US, too to bottom).

That mindset is, when you hear the sirens, wherever you are, get to the lowest/most inside place you can, put your head between your knees, and be prepared to kiss your a** goodbye, because there isn't a whole else you can do.

Growing up, we had a great place to shelter - a root cellar built into the earth, with just the front exposed. That's close to as good as it gets. My brother has the same situation at his how now.

You can, of course, buy purpose-built little shelters that are installed in the same fashion, but they're not cheap, and I have only ever known one person who had one.

Most people head to the basement if they have it, or a crawl space (that's what we have), or an inside room with no windows, frequently a bathroom. The advice used to be to get in the tub and pull a mattress over yourself, but that's when tubs were porcelain and affixed pretty solidly to the house. Nowadays they're flimsy plastic things, so that's probably not so effective these days. If you're in a car, you're supposed to get out and run to the lowest area, like the ditch along the road or even inside a culvert or drain pipe, if you think there's no issue with flooding.

The way it works here, first we get a tornado watch - every kid learns that means "conditions are right for a tornado to form," followed by a warning, which means "a tornado has been spotted in your area, seek shelter NOW!" - that's usually when the sirens go off.

Nowadays, they've taken to sounding the sirens earlier rather than later (at least in this area), with the idea that people would seek shelter earlier - nope, it's had the opposite effect, a sort of boy-who-cried-wolf effect. After every storm that passes through where they've sounded the sirens, there will be complaints in the paper and online the following days saying that the sirens were sounded unnecessarily, causing people to shelter and worry unnecessarily, to the point that now, we don't really pay close attention to warnings or sirens.

For those storms that came through most recently, when it looked like they would pass over our area, all the news stations were warning ahead of time, over and over, saying "these are active storms, do not expect any warning, by the time you hear the sirens, it'll be too late, because these will be rapidly-developing tornadoes, and they'll be on the ground before you know it," but we just took the usual precaution of leaving our phones on for alerts and went to bed, as they were predicted to pass through around 3AM. Not much else we could do.

I've been up close and personal to several tornadoes, though thankfully, none have ever hit us directly. They are terrifying, and that's an understatement, but if you live in a tornado area, you learn to live with it.

I simply can't imagine living with that kind of fear. Once again I am thankful to live where I live. There are some flooding hazards in other parts of my area but not where I am (so far!).
 
Mayfield is just a little south of where i spent the first 15 years of my life. I remember the sirens going off a few times but the worst weather always seemed to pass over or skirt the city where i lived, as it did this time. My grandparents lived to the west of us about an hour and they built a root cellar like Tasty described when they first built on the farm since they just used wood for the house. Then, when they built a new house out of brick, they basically built a bunker as the basement, with a bedroom, family room and a small but useable second kitchen, plus storage for canned goods, even though they kept and still used the root cellar. They did often get tornados in their area.

We saw water spouts off in the distance on occasion when we were out diving on our boat. Usually we were either already heading for the dock or getting ready to having heard the thunder from an oncoming storm. Yes, you can hear the thunder under water if you aren't too deep.

And, yes, as noted above, not too much you can do about a tornado. Unlike hurricanes where we now have days to prepare, you only have minutes to seconds to get to safety.
 
Fair enough. I was just making the point that locking down wouldn't work unless there are tornado proof secure bunkers for everyone to be in. Simply staying indoors doesn't mean you are safe, since whole houses are decimated.

It is kind of a stepped system. In a house like mine, there is not basement or "storm shelter." I have an area under my stairs that is the strongest "room" in my house. That's the best I can do. Most commercial and public buildings built in the last 50 or so years have some kind of storn shelter, usually restrooms/toilets, and mentioned before. People in mobile homes have it the worst. Those things become tumbleweeds in a tornado. A car in a significant tornado is almost certain death.

Basically, anything is better than a car. A fixed home with a foundation is better than a mobile home. A home with a basement is better than that. A building with a storm shelter is better than one without. You just have to try to be in the best shelter available when storms that could produce tornados roll into town.

Believe it or not, the thick walled freezers in grocery stores and convenience stores have saved a lot of lives over the years.

CD
 
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