The General Chat Thread (2016-2022)

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caseydog said:
Those protests were not riots. They were protests. They were nothing like what happened today.

BTW, Hillary Clinton conceded the election to Trump the day after the election. The "Not My President" rallies were not about overturning the election. They were just a bunch of people expressing their dissatisfaction.

No comparison.

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The comparison was only about the instability that a leader has to face, and that instability being one instigated by a political party. Not the extent of it or what motto it had. :) (I'm no fan of either of them)
 
lastmanstanding said:
The comparison was only about the instability that a leader has to face, and that instability being one instigated by a political party. Not the extent of it or what motto it had. :) (I'm no fan of either of them)
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The objection was the use of the term "riot" in comparison to "protest", as protests can be peaceful while riots are not.
 
JAS_OH1 said:
The objection was the use of the term "riot" in comparison to "protest", as protests can be peaceful while riots are not.
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Oh sorry my English is not good.
May I replace the "Not My President" phrase with "Black Lives Matters" then :roflmao:
Anyway I don't want to get in to an argument about some politicians who are equally vile (for me as an outsider). Not here where I can make friends :) I will read on the recipes :okay:
 
lastmanstanding said:
Oh sorry my English is not good.
May I replace the "Not My President" phrase with "Black Lives Matters" then :roflmao:
Anyway I don't want to get in to an argument about some politicians who are equally vile (for me as an outsider). Not here where I can make friends :) I will read on the recipes :okay:
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Not wanting to argue either.

And, your English is quite good. Just wanted to point out the difference between a riot and a protest.

No worries, I think varied opinions are healthy and I do not object.
 
Windigo said:
Great news:

My eldest stepson will move to a live - in accomodation at January 30th, which means that we'll be free of caring for him 24-7 for the foreseeable future. He's been on the waiting list for this for a very long time, and it's finally got a definite date. Lockdown or not, he's allowed to move in there so we're pretty relieved.
Just three more weeks and we'll be out of this constant state of stress and more importantly, my stepson will finally receive the care he needs. I hope he'll be happier there where there are more people like him. He's never had a friendship in his life, I hope this will change that.
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I'm very happy for you, your stepson and the whole family! Such a relief in every sense. Peer support and daily medical care/supervision for a person in need is just as crucial as safe and comfortable everyday life for others.
 
mjd said:
It's more common with front loaders but can happen with top loaders. We had a front loader in our laundry room in my apartment complex and it caused all kinds of problems so it was removed a couple weeks ago. Allegedly, there is supposed to be a sensor that detects the imbalance and corrects it. I rarely had that problem with the washer I had in my house. It was an LG. They make good machines.
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Yes they do. We have a front loading (9 kg) washing machine by (South Korean) LG. The drum is integrated (Direct Drive) so it's very steady. I've only had a one incident of heavy tremor (and an error beep) when I was washing a huge cotton bed cover which didn't spread out evenly during sling/centrifuge. I added a small towel into the drum and everything was fine. The last machine of the same brand lasted for 18 years.
 
epicuric said:
I wonder if there will be an impetus to change the US election process under Biden.
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Throughout Trump's term, there were times where people said, "well...we never thought a President would try to do that." The premise since the founding of our country had always been that whoever is elected President would undoubtedly be someone who accepted and understood the gravity of the office. But Trump, was true to his word when he said that he wanted to run the country like his businesses. As we've found out, he ran his businesses like a dictator, where his word was the ultimate authority, and he could do whatever he wanted with impunity. This isn't uncommon if you're actually running a business, but no one ever tried it with the Presidency.

I expect the entire Biden term will include efforts to rewrite Constitutional law to spell out what the limits of Presidential authority should be. We've found out the hard way that we can't simply trust that the President will respect the office. The New York Times published an article summarizing potential reforms to Presidential power, which included:
  • The ability of a president to hire close family members for White House positions
  • The ability of a president to override recommended denials of security clearances
  • The ability of a president to pardon or dangle a potential pardon at someone in a self-protective context
That last one is most interesting, because Trump himself has publicly mused that, with his unlimited pardon powers, he could potentially pardon himself. He has also floated the possibility of "pre-emptive pardons", whereby he can declare that a certain person is pardoned in advance for whatever they might be accused of doing. The fact that there are holes in the wording to allow any of this is alarming.

As for revisions to the election process, the most glaring flaw is the Electoral College, where states get a representational vote that's separate from the actual vote. For example, Michigan has 10 million people, and is worth 16 electoral votes. About 5 million voted this time, with Biden getting 150,000 more votes. Typically, all 16 of those votes go to Biden, rather than a portion going to Biden and a portion to Trump.

Because of the way the electoral map is set up, it's possible for the candidate who won the most total votes could lose the election. This happened in 2000 (Bush over Gore) and 2016 (Trump over Clinton). It was set up this way originally because the unwashed masses couldn't be trusted to be properly informed. Whether or not people are getting accurate information today is certainly a question, but the system really needs to be reformed. Unfortunately, I don't see this changing in my lifetime, since we'd need a 2/3 majority vote from Congress. The current system currently favors certain states, and those states are unlikely to willingly give up that power so easily.
 
The Late Night Gourmet said:
But Trump, was true to his word when he said that he wanted to run the country like his businesses. As we've found out, he ran his businesses like a dictator, where his word was the ultimate authority, and he could do whatever he wanted with impunity. This isn't uncommon if you're actually running a business, but no one ever tried it with the Presidency.
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The most profound thing about how he ran his businesses was that he ran them into the ground. Six bankruptcies? His Scottish golf courses are hemmhoraging money. He's a terrible business man.
 
Netflix docu-series Dirty Money has an episode on Trump. He basically drove most (if not all) of his businesses into shambles and borrowed money from his dad to keep him afloat. His dad is the one with the money not him.
 
LissaC said:
Netflix docu-series Dirty Money has an episode on Trump. He basically drove most (if not all) of his businesses into shambles and borrowed money from his dad to keep him afloat. His dad is the one with the money not him.
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Yes, his late father was the successful businessman. DJT just inherited the money and has had MANY failed businesses and countless bankruptcies. He has really struggled with being POTUS because he has had to learn he doesn't just get to bully people into getting his way.
 
LissaC said:
Netflix docu-series Dirty Money has an episode on Trump. He basically drove most (if not all) of his businesses into shambles and borrowed money from his dad to keep him afloat. His dad is the one with the money not him.
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My mother always said, "Great minds think alike."

I just can't figure out why and how so many people were fooled. I saw him for a scam artist and con man years ago.
 
JAS_OH1 said:
The most profound thing about how he ran his businesses was that he ran them into the ground. Six bankruptcies? His Scottish golf courses are hemmhoraging money. He's a terrible business man.
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One of the items on the list I linked above:
  • The ability of a president or presidential candidate to choose not to make public his or her tax returns
Every prior Presidential candidate made their tax records a public record, but Trump kept claiming that he "couldn't" because he was constantly under audit. This was, of course, a lie.

I thought the reason he didn't want to make his records public was because his last tax return on record (2008) included $915.7 million in losses, which he was able to write off. It seems that the real thing he was hiding was that he only paid $750 in taxes some years. I'd think the American people would have liked to know how a billionaire could pay so little while people struggling to pay their bills had to pay more.
 
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