The General Chat Thread (2016-2022)

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Lullabelle said:
We have returned from the theatre, we saw Mrs Robinson, it was good and it was also the first time I have seen bare breasts on the stage.
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I remember the film quite well...very good.

In my busking days, the song Mrs. Robinson used to be quite rewarding....kerching!
 
creative said:
I remember the film quite well...very good.

In my busking days, the song Mrs. Robinson used to be quite rewarding....kerching!
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I don't remember the film so not entirely sure what to expect. A lot happened on a small stage, it was well done.
 
creative said:
I guess not enough people know about the link with non stick ovenware and PFOAs - I thought it was common knowledge now!

I was after a baking sheet but, no, couldn't find one that wasn't non stick. I do have a metal baking sheet past its best....I think I will have to try and work on it, i.e. soak overnight and try and bring it back to its former state if poss (can't use a scourer on it and a nylon scourer isn't effective on its present state). Oh well - a tiny problem compared to my current situation of my sister trying to sell the flat where I am living that mum (in her will) has said I can stay in for as long as I want to! Don't get me started.....
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Most is burned off in the manufacturing process of Teflon®.

Other than the possible risk of flu-like symptoms from breathing in fumes from an overheated Teflon-coated pan*, there are no known risks to humans from using Teflon-coated cookware. While PFOA is used in making Teflon, it is not present (or is present in extremely small amounts) in Teflon-coated products.

*At a temperature hot enough for flash fires, where oil is used

https://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancer-causes/teflon-and-perfluorooctanoic-acid-pfoa.html

But it's also used for plumbing(water supply)*, pizza boxes, grease proof food wrapping, popcorn/crisp bags, cupcake wrappers.
*And with the move to plastic pipes instead of the more traditional copper pipes, the increase in any exposure to it is increased.

 
classic33 said:
Most is burned off in the manufacturing process of Teflon®.

Other than the possible risk of flu-like symptoms from breathing in fumes from an overheated Teflon-coated pan*, there are no known risks to humans from using Teflon-coated cookware. While PFOA is used in making Teflon, it is not present (or is present in extremely small amounts) in Teflon-coated products.

*At a temperature hot enough for flash fires, where oil is used

https://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancer-causes/teflon-and-perfluorooctanoic-acid-pfoa.html

But it's also used for plumbing(water supply)*, pizza boxes, grease proof food wrapping, popcorn/crisp bags, cupcake wrappers.
*And with the move to plastic pipes instead of the more traditional copper pipes, the increase in any exposure to it is increased.
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https://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancer-causes/teflon-and-perfluorooctanoic-acid-pfoa.html
 
creative said:
So you agree it can cause cancer then?
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No, nor do the experts it would seem
Do Teflon and PFOA cause cancer?
Teflon
Teflon itself is not suspected of causing cancer.

PFOA
Many studies in recent years have looked at the possibility of PFOA causing cancer. Researchers use 2 main types of studies to try to figure out if such a substance might cause cancer.

 
"In a draft (not final) report, the EPA’s Scientific Advisory Board examined the evidence on PFOA, mainly from studies in lab animals, and stated that there is “suggestive evidence of carcinogenicity, but not sufficient to assess human carcinogenic potential.” The board agreed that new evidence would be considered as it becomes available."
Clearly still suspect...
 
creative said:
"In a draft (not final) report, the EPA’s Scientific Advisory Board examined the evidence on PFOA, mainly from studies in lab animals, and stated that there is “suggestive evidence of carcinogenicity, but not sufficient to assess human carcinogenic potential.” The board agreed that new evidence would be considered as it becomes available."
Clearly still suspect...
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And unless you work in the industry, your chances of exposure to it are limited more or less to the fumes from a burning pan. Unless you count Teflon® in, which will require a rethink of how you actually live. From the water you drink, to the clothes you wear, to what your food is in.
 
creative said:
"In a draft (not final) report, the EPA’s Scientific Advisory Board examined the evidence on PFOA, mainly from studies in lab animals, and stated that there is “suggestive evidence of carcinogenicity, but not sufficient to assess human carcinogenic potential.” The board agreed that new evidence would be considered as it becomes available."
Clearly still suspect...
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Thanks for the information.
 
classic33 said:
... From the water you drink, to the clothes you wear, to what your food is in.
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Unless one chooses to live in a bubble, every one of us is exposed to something that might be bad, might harm us, might make us old faster. As for myself, I try to manage what I can and hope for the best. You can worry yourself into the grave being concerned with things that you have no real control over, right?

My Mom would say "you're going to go when you're going to go". She was never as careful about her diet and exercise routine as I am, and still lived to 82 in spite of herself. I'd be happy with a healthy 82...
 
Lynne Guinne said:
Unless one chooses to live in a bubble, every one of us is exposed to something that might be bad, might harm us, might make us old faster. As for myself, I try to manage what I can and hope for the best. You can worry yourself into the grave being concerned with things that you have no real control over, right?

My Mom would say "you're going to go when you're going to go". She was never as careful about her diet and exercise routine as I am, and still lived to 82 in spite of herself. I'd be happy with a healthy 82...
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I have a 98 year old aunt that is just starting to have major health problems.
 
Good for her, Cin! I'm lucky in that the generations before me lived rather long, healthy lives. Great Uncle Tom wanted to make it to 100. He came up three years short. He was a great guy! Great Aunt Rose made it to 102 or 103. She was the personification that only the good die young. Mom would say the only reason Aunt Rose lived so long was because God and the Devil kept arguing over who had to take her.

Most of the rest from my Mom's family lived to the 80s and 90s, both in her generation and her Mom's. If my fate is a long but sickly future, I'd just as soon go tomorrow. (Psst, God, don't get any ideas...)
 
I have saved some Bht 900,000.00 (US$ 26,000.00) during the past 17 years by not subscribing to private health insurance. During those years I've spent Bht 6,000.00 on hospital treatment (Bht 4,500.00 of it was unnecessary). However, after recently seeing colleagues die within months of spending big bucks on hospital treatment I don't think I'll bother. I've had a damn good innings considering my lifestyle and all I ask is that I don't die slowly and in pain.
 
Lynne Guinne said:
Unless one chooses to live in a bubble, every one of us is exposed to something that might be bad, might harm us, might make us old faster. As for myself, I try to manage what I can and hope for the best. You can worry yourself into the grave being concerned with things that you have no real control over, right?

My Mom would say "you're going to go when you're going to go". She was never as careful about her diet and exercise routine as I am, and still lived to 82 in spite of herself. I'd be happy with a healthy 82...
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Yes of course. It's a question of avoiding - where you can - that which you know to have been found carcinogenic....making wise choices.
 
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