The General Chat Thread (2016-2022)

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The postmortem to the shameful events of January 6th, 2021 - a day that will live in infamy (not my quote...I first heard Joe Biden make that comparison). Congress reconvened to certify the election, which is fantastic. Many in Congress said that they didn't want these national traitors to win. Also fantastic.

But, I don't think the rest of the world heard that, along with the vote to certify the election were votes to determine whether or not the votes in Arizona and Pennsylvania were legitimate. This seems strange, but that was part of the proceedings. Both states had multiple unsuccessful challenges to the election results in court, with Arizona's challenge twice being struck down by a Republican court. Both resolutions were rejected by a wide margin.

But, most disturbing was how many still voted to overturn the will of the people after the events of January 6th. The Senate voted 93-6 to reject the Arizona objection, while the House voted 303-121. The Senate voted 92-7 to reject the Pennsylvania objection, and the House also rejected the objection 282-138. Since the November Presidential election, there were 59 unsuccessful challenges in all to the election results. This included rejections by the Supreme Court, which had 3 Trump appointees, and a Republican majority. But 127 elected officials still voted to overturn the will of the people in Arizona, and 145 voted to do the same regarding Pennsylvania.

Even crazier, some people in Congress actually raised the completely insane idea - ON THE FLOOR OF CONGRESS - that the attack on the Capitol wasn't perpetuated by Trump supporters, but instead it was actually Antifa in disguise. Antifa is an extreme left-wing group that has been a favorite target of Trump and his minions. They aren't exactly saints, but suggesting that this happened when many of the people identified on camera were well-known Trump supporters is about the stupidest thing I've ever heard. And, stupid people are believing it.

I'm encouraged that long-time Republicans who spent the last 4 years kowtowing to Trump - notably Mitch McConnell, Lindsay Graham - are signing a different tune. But, this isn't over. The bad man is going to be gone soon - maybe even before January 20th - but a lot of bad people remain.

Upon exiting the Constitutional Convention in 1776, Benjamin Franklin was asked what sort of government the delegates had created. His answer was: "A republic, if you can keep it." We have it...for now.
 
The Late Night Gourmet said:
The postmortem to the shameful events of January 6th, 2021 - a day that will live in infamy (not my quote...I first heard Joe Biden make that comparison). Congress reconvened to certify the election, which is fantastic. Many in Congress said that they didn't want these national traitors to win. Also fantastic.

But, I don't think the rest of the world heard that, along with the vote to certify the election were votes to determine whether or not the votes in Arizona and Pennsylvania were legitimate. This seems strange, but that was part of the proceedings. Both states had multiple unsuccessful challenges to the election results in court, with Arizona's challenge twice being struck down by a Republican court. Both resolutions were rejected by a wide margin.

But, most disturbing was how many still voted to overturn the will of the people after the events of January 6th. The Senate voted 93-6 to reject the Arizona objection, while the House voted 303-121. The Senate voted 92-7 to reject the Pennsylvania objection, and the House also rejected the objection 282-138. Since the November Presidential election, there were 59 unsuccessful challenges in all to the election results. This included rejections by the Supreme Court, which had 3 Trump appointees, and a Republican majority. But 127 elected officials still voted to overturn the will of the people in Arizona, and 145 voted to do the same regarding Pennsylvania.

Even crazier, some people in Congress actually raised the completely insane idea - ON THE FLOOR OF CONGRESS - that the attack on the Capitol wasn't perpetuated by Trump supporters, but instead it was actually Antifa in disguise. Antifa is an extreme left-wing group that has been a favorite target of Trump and his minions. They aren't exactly saints, but suggesting that this happened when many of the people identified on camera were well-known Trump supporters is about the stupidest thing I've ever heard. And, stupid people are believing it.

I'm encouraged that long-time Republicans who spent the last 4 years kowtowing to Trump - notably Mitch McConnell, Lindsay Graham - are signing a different tune. But, this isn't over. The bad man is going to be gone soon - maybe even before January 20th - but a lot of bad people remain.

Upon exiting the Constitutional Convention in 1776, Benjamin Franklin was asked what sort of government the delegates had created. His answer was: "A republic, if you can keep it." We have it...for now.
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As an outsider, this event did not shock or surprise me. Neither did the institutional racism within your Police. It reminded me of the Murder of Steven Lawrence in London and the inquiry that followed. "In 1999 the Macpherson report found that the Metropolitan police were institutionally racist, that is, they failed to give an appropriate service to some groups in society because of their colour, culture or ethnicity". Black lives matter.
 
On the subject of prosecution. There are multiple prosecutions awaiting trump, primarily for tax fraud. These are not federal prosecutions, so even if he pardons himself, it won't protect him from state prosecutions. NY is the first state chomping at the bits to go after Trump for tax fraud. A pardon would also not shield him from civil actions, such as lawsuits. All it takes is one felony conviction, and he can forget 2024, and every election for the rest of his life.

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caseydog said:
On the subject of prosecution. There are multiple prosecutions awaiting trump, primarily for tax fraud. These are not federal prosecutions, so even if he pardons himself, it won't protect him from state prosecutions. NY is the first state chomping at the bits to go after Trump for tax fraud. A pardon would also not shield him from civil actions, such as lawsuits. All it takes is one felony conviction, and he can forget 2024, and every election for the rest of his life.

CD
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Thank you for reminding me about that. Team Red enabled Trump for 4 years, but that protection is gone. He also knows he can't win the long game against the United States: no matter how much money you have, the USA has more (I also expect criminal charges). The tax charges require remedy in the courts, and he hasn't been very successful at that lately. Another lawyer on his legal team resigned. Hey, Mr. President: you still have this guy, and I understand he works pro bono:

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The Late Night Gourmet said:
Thank you for reminding me about that. Team Red enabled Trump for 4 years, but that protection is gone. He also knows he can't win the long game against the United States: no matter how much money you have, the USA has more (I also expect criminal charges). The tax charges require remedy in the courts, and he hasn't been very successful at that lately. Another lawyer on his legal team resigned. Hey, Mr. President: you still have this guy, and I understand he works pro bono:
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Your photo isn't showing, at least on my MacBook. But, I know who it is. :laugh:

CD
 
The Late Night Gourmet said:
Thank you for reminding me about that. Team Red enabled Trump for 4 years, but that protection is gone. He also knows he can't win the long game against the United States: no matter how much money you have, the USA has more (I also expect criminal charges). The tax charges require remedy in the courts, and he hasn't been very successful at that lately. Another lawyer on his legal team resigned. Hey, Mr. President: you still have this guy, and I understand he works pro bono:

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Oh my, that photo is crazy.
 
The Late Night Gourmet said:
The postmortem to the shameful events of January 6th, 2021 - a day that will live in infamy (not my quote...I first heard Joe Biden make that comparison). Congress reconvened to certify the election, which is fantastic. Many in Congress said that they didn't want these national traitors to win. Also fantastic.

But, I don't think the rest of the world heard that, along with the vote to certify the election were votes to determine whether or not the votes in Arizona and Pennsylvania were legitimate. This seems strange, but that was part of the proceedings. Both states had multiple unsuccessful challenges to the election results in court, with Arizona's challenge twice being struck down by a Republican court. Both resolutions were rejected by a wide margin.

But, most disturbing was how many still voted to overturn the will of the people after the events of January 6th. The Senate voted 93-6 to reject the Arizona objection, while the House voted 303-121. The Senate voted 92-7 to reject the Pennsylvania objection, and the House also rejected the objection 282-138. Since the November Presidential election, there were 59 unsuccessful challenges in all to the election results. This included rejections by the Supreme Court, which had 3 Trump appointees, and a Republican majority. But 127 elected officials still voted to overturn the will of the people in Arizona, and 145 voted to do the same regarding Pennsylvania.

Even crazier, some people in Congress actually raised the completely insane idea - ON THE FLOOR OF CONGRESS - that the attack on the Capitol wasn't perpetuated by Trump supporters, but instead it was actually Antifa in disguise. Antifa is an extreme left-wing group that has been a favorite target of Trump and his minions. They aren't exactly saints, but suggesting that this happened when many of the people identified on camera were well-known Trump supporters is about the stupidest thing I've ever heard. And, stupid people are believing it.

I'm encouraged that long-time Republicans who spent the last 4 years kowtowing to Trump - notably Mitch McConnell, Lindsay Graham - are signing a different tune. But, this isn't over. The bad man is going to be gone soon - maybe even before January 20th - but a lot of bad people remain.

Upon exiting the Constitutional Convention in 1776, Benjamin Franklin was asked what sort of government the delegates had created. His answer was: "A republic, if you can keep it." We have it...for now.
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It makes sense for them to try to distance themselves from the chaos that happened in the Capitol. Trump told his supporters that he would walk with them to the Capitol but didn't. He was never "with" them and just used them for donations to fight what he claims is election fraud and to cause havoc on the 6th. The only way to save face (however futile) is to blame anybody else and Antifa is a good scapegoat.

Nevertheless, he couldn't bear to say Biden's name but he did release a recording conceding after throwing his above-mentioned supporters under the bus.

View: https://youtu.be/phujjJOsXu4
 
mjd said:
He was never "with" them and just used them for donations to fight what he claims is election fraud and to cause havoc on the 6th. The only way to save face (however futile) is to blame anybody else and Antifa is a good scapegoat.

Nevertheless, he couldn't bear to say Biden's name but he did release a recording conceding after throwing his above-mentioned supporters under the bus.

View: https://youtu.be/phujjJOsXu4
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That's what he told people who donated, but in reality much of the money donated ended up elsewhere (personal bank accounts). It turns out that only donations of $5,000 or more went to his fund for fighting the election.
 
JAS_OH1 said:
That's what he told people who donated, but in reality much of the money donated ended up elsewhere (personal bank accounts). It turns out that only donations of $5,000 or more went to his fund for fighting the election.
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Correct. That was in the "fine print". The saddest part is he doesn't care about anybody but himself and the only reason he wanted to win reelection was to stave off the criminal charges against him. He couldn't care less about election integrity (it was a "landslide" when he beat Clinton, but it was "fraud" when Biden beat him by the same amount). His narcissism has no limits.
 
The US Capitol Police confirmed the death of one of their officers late Thursday from injuries suffered when a mob of President Donald Trump's supporters stormed the Capitol a day before.

Capitol Police said in a statement that Officer Brian D. Sicknick died at approximately 9:30 p.m. ET Thursday "due to injuries sustained while on-duty."

The death is being investigated by the DC Metropolitan Police Department's homicide branch, the US Capitol Police and their federal partners. CNN
 
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