Ukraine

The Velvet Curtain said:
It's a cunning plan, but it might just work.....
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Biden increased the pressure and announced a Russian oil ban, which should have been done right from the get go, but better late than never. Unfortunately NATO probably won't. The US rely on only about 2% from Russian oil but some of the big NATO countries rely on Russian oil much more, around 35% and more specifically Germany. Basically it's a good thing, but it's not going to effect Russia very much without the rest of Europe on board.
 
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Ok, not really sure yet but I think Zelensky just submitted that Ukraine is no longer pressing for a NATO membership and that further recognition for the Russian territory taken in east Ukraine being Donetsk and Lugansk could be recognized. This is good news I think, but have no Idea what the NATO or Russia;s response on this has been.

EDIT: I'll wait on this one. There's so much misinformation and I can find anything that corroborates my statement.
 
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garlichead said:
Ok, not really sure yet but I think Zelensky just submitted that Ukraine is no longer pressing for a NATO membership and that further recognition for the Russian territory taken in east Ukraine being Donetsk and Lugansk could be recognized. This is good news I think, but have no Idea what the NATO or Russia;s response on this has been.

EDIT: I'll wait on this one. There's so much misinformation and I can find anything that corroborates my statement.
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Nothing on the BBC. Yesterday though Russia did say that they wanted Crimea recognised as part of Russia, and appeared to drop the ambition to take control of the whole of Ukraine and install their own government. Perhaps positions for proper negotiation are being drawn up - let's hope.
 
From the Sky News website this afternoon, posted without personal comment from me:

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Russia-Ukraine negotiations 'much more serious than West is saying' and gaps between sides 'not great' - report​

A fascinating report has been published in the Jerusalem Post this afternoon, which quotes sources it says were privy to a meeting three days ago between Israeli PM Naftali Bennett and Vladimir Putin.
The gist of the story is that negotiations between Russia and Ukraine are "much more serious than what the West has been saying".
It says Ukranian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has been given a "final" version of Mr Putin's offer to end the crisis and - in a claim that would represent a rare glimmer of hope amid Russia's brutal attacks - "the gaps between the sides are not great" (assuming, as this correspondent is, that "great" is being used in its definition that relates to size rather than that which relates to quality).
"The real negotiations, according to the sources, are happening directly between Russia and Ukraine and are much more serious than what the West has been saying," the report claims.
"Kyiv has not shared with the West what has been going on in the negotiations since they do not want to [dampen] the worldwide sense of emergency."
The report outlined the following as the arrangement being offered to Ukraine's leader: "Zelenskyy can fortify Ukraine's independence but will have to pay a heavy price, the sources said. Assumptions are that he will be forced to give up the contested Donbas region, officially recognise the pro-Russian dissidents in Ukraine, pledge that Ukraine will not join NATO, shrink his army and declare neutrality. If he declines the proposal, the outcome may be terrible: thousands, perhaps tens of thousands of Ukrainians will die and there is a high probability that his country will completely lose its independence."
The newspaper goes on to say Mr Zelenskyy is "torn" over the offer.
It should be noted here that this report cannot be verified by Sky News, and that some will suggest information from sources close to Israel's government - which has had a close alliance with the Putin regime - may be tailored to support their own agenda.
However, if there does turn out to be any substance to claims that a deal is "difficult" but not "impossible", this could clearly be of huge significance."

https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-...updates-12541713?postid=3500152#liveblog-body
 
Rocklobster said:
I wonder what the west is gaining from this war? Personally, I don’t trust anybody anymore. I am cynical
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I don´t think the West is gaining anything. What I DO think is that Russia has just screwed up its chances of ever progressing in the 21st century. Putin´s actions have set his country back 100 years.
 
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