How is the corona virus affecting you?

epicuric said:
More confusion here today. The former Chief Scientific Officer, Prof. Dave King, released a statement this morning warning that it was too early to ease out of lockdown. A couple of hours later, Bungling Boris announced that based on advice from the current Chief Scientific Officer it is now safe to do so. I know who I believe. The advice is now that we should stay 2m apart, unless you can't, in which case 1m is fine, but 1m+ would be better. Confused yet? Unlimited number of members of two households can meet at home together, but only two at any one time but it can be a different two at another time. In other words, I can entertain every family in the village in my home, say, consecutively, 1 hour each for the entire week. Or only six people from different households at any one time in my garden. Unless we all go to the pub when it re-opens next week, whereby none of these rules apply. If I am confused, what about the terminally stupid in society, of which there are many - most of them were in Tesco this morning. Rules need to be simple, clearly communicated and well understood to have even the slightest chance of being followed. All this on the day that Germany, previously having done a rather better job of things than us is having to re-impose lockdown due to a second wave of infections. I really do despair. Is it too early for a drink?
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Today it was announced that if we open the pubs on 1st July, it shall be on condition that the following practices are strictly observed.

• Controlling the number of patrons to ensure the venue does not get congested;
• Checking every customer and staff member’s temperature;
• Providing alcohol-based hand sanitising gel at all entrances and other areas as necessary;
• Ensuring groups are no bigger than five;
• Ensuring customers queuing to be seated maintain social distancing;
• Ensuring all tables are at least 2 metres apart or are partitioned;
• Ensuring seats are at least one metre apart;
• Ensuring all venues are properly ventilated;
• Only eating and drinking is allowed;
• Beverages can only be served individually, and shared jugs or ice buckets are prohibited;
• Serving staff are required to wear a mask or face shield at all times;
• Stage or performance area must be partitioned, and audience must be at least 2 metres away from the stage;
• Event comperes or speakers are required to wear a face shield at all times;
• Patrons are not allowed to be loud or walk around the venue if not necessary;
• If the sharing of food or beverages cannot be avoided, everyone at the table must be provided with an individual serving spoon or glass;
• Toilets must be cleaned every 30 to 60 minutes;
• All tables, chairs and frequently touched surfaces must be cleaned regularly;
• No sports matches or competitions that will attract large groups of people are allowed;
• No video gaming or pub games like pool and darts will be allowed;
• Social distancing measures must be observed in smoking areas;
• No service personnel or public relations representatives are allowed to sit with customers.
 
The essence of what happens in England seems to be, "We're following the science, at least once we can find a scientist somewhere whose view roughly coincides with what we've already decided, although we might execute a 180-degree turn overnight."

In Scotland, it's more a case of, "We'll do what they're doing in England, only about four weeks later."
 
To nobody's great surprise, apart from perhaps his own, Novak Djokovic has contracted the virus. I can't imagine I'd often be in agreement with much that Nick Kyrgios has to say, but his description of the playing of that tournament as "boneheaded" is spot on.
 
epicuric said:
More confusion here today. The former Chief Scientific Officer, Prof. Dave King, released a statement this morning warning that it was too early to ease out of lockdown. A couple of hours later, Bungling Boris announced that based on advice from the current Chief Scientific Officer it is now safe to do so. I know who I believe. The advice is now that we should stay 2m apart, unless you can't, in which case 1m is fine, but 1m+ would be better. Confused yet? Unlimited number of members of two households can meet at home together, but only two at any one time but it can be a different two at another time. In other words, I can entertain every family in the village in my home, say, consecutively, 1 hour each for the entire week. Or only six people from different households at any one time in my garden. Unless we all go to the pub when it re-opens next week, whereby none of these rules apply. If I am confused, what about the terminally stupid in society, of which there are many - most of them were in Tesco this morning. Rules need to be simple, clearly communicated and well understood to have even the slightest chance of being followed. All this on the day that Germany, previously having done a rather better job of things than us is having to re-impose lockdown due to a second wave of infections. I really do despair. Is it too early for a drink?
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Basically most people will now do as they like. In my street several of them already have. The advice re households visiting each other is very confusing and seems to mean we can all visit who we like indoors or out. I'm staying put in the house and if I go out I am staying 2 metres away from anyone. I refuse to enter supermarkets or shops. Nobody is going to visit me indoors. I'm just too scared.
 
Morning Glory said:
Basically most people will now do as they like. In my street several of them already have. The advice re households visiting each other is very confusing and seems to mean we can all visit who we like indoors or out. I'm staying put in the house and if I go out I am staying 2 metres away from anyone. I refuse to enter supermarkets or shops. Nobody is going to visit me indoors. I'm just too scared.
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That's exactly what I've been doing and I will continue to do so.
 
Yorky said:
Today it was announced that if we open the pubs on 1st July, it shall be on condition that the following practices are strictly observed.

• Controlling the number of patrons to ensure the venue does not get congested;
• Checking every customer and staff member’s temperature;
• Providing alcohol-based hand sanitising gel at all entrances and other areas as necessary;
• Ensuring groups are no bigger than five;
• Ensuring customers queuing to be seated maintain social distancing;
• Ensuring all tables are at least 2 metres apart or are partitioned;
• Ensuring seats are at least one metre apart;
• Ensuring all venues are properly ventilated;
• Only eating and drinking is allowed;
• Beverages can only be served individually, and shared jugs or ice buckets are prohibited;
• Serving staff are required to wear a mask or face shield at all times;
• Stage or performance area must be partitioned, and audience must be at least 2 metres away from the stage;
• Event comperes or speakers are required to wear a face shield at all times;
• Patrons are not allowed to be loud or walk around the venue if not necessary;
• If the sharing of food or beverages cannot be avoided, everyone at the table must be provided with an individual serving spoon or glass;
• Toilets must be cleaned every 30 to 60 minutes;
• All tables, chairs and frequently touched surfaces must be cleaned regularly;
• No sports matches or competitions that will attract large groups of people are allowed;
• No video gaming or pub games like pool and darts will be allowed;
• Social distancing measures must be observed in smoking areas;
• No service personnel or public relations representatives are allowed to sit with customers.
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At least an attempt at addressing the detail.
 
Morning Glory said:
I'm staying put in the house and if I go out I am staying 2 metres away from anyone.
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That's more or less what we're doing, apart from the supermarket stuff. We're still acting like we did after the first week - once weekly shopping trips, not visiting anyone. The only thing we've added is going back to the doctor, as MrsTasty has things going on that can't be ignored for long, and I'm getting bags of mulch every so often (and my flowers earlier). All those activities have been deemed fairly low-risk, as long as masks and distancing are employed, which we do.

What we're not doing:

Visiting people
Getting haircuts
Sit-down dining (in or out)
Non-food in-store shopping (like clothes and such)

We've got some of the family upset with us, as were the lone holdouts as far as visiting goes. Everyone is getting back together again (not that we did much of that before), but we're not. My parents want us to come over, but they go out every day and don't wear masks, my sister wants us to come over and see her new kitchen, wants us to come over and eat, wants to come over and eat, wants to meet to eat, and we have a niece in town for the summer, showing off her new baby, and we're going to have to skip that (but babies don't do much for us anyway, so that's not a big deal for us). Right now, we're the subject of much eye-rolling on both sides of the family.

The big things coming up are a trip MrsTasty is supposed to take with her sister to their hometown. That's a few days each way on the road, then a week in town, and it would involve lots of eating out and socializing, and then a wedding in COVID Central...er Florida this autumn, and if we miss that, there will be serious repercussions, but if it were taking place today, we wouldn't be going.
 
TastyReuben said:
That's more or less what we're doing, apart from the supermarket stuff. We're still acting like we did after the first week - once weekly shopping trips, not visiting anyone. The only thing we've added is going back to the doctor, as MrsTasty has things going on that can't be ignored for long, and I'm getting bags of mulch every so often (and my flowers earlier). All those activities have been deemed fairly low-risk, as long as masks and distancing are employed, which we do.

What we're not doing:

Visiting people
Getting haircuts
Sit-down dining (in or out)
Non-food in-store shopping (like clothes and such)

We've got some of the family upset with us, as were the lone holdouts as far as visiting goes. Everyone is getting back together again (not that we did much of that before), but we're not. My parents want us to come over, but they go out every day and don't wear masks, my sister wants us to come over and see her new kitchen, wants us to come over and eat, wants to come over and eat, wants to meet to eat, and we have a niece in town for the summer, showing off her new baby, and we're going to have to skip that (but babies don't do much for us anyway, so that's not a big deal for us). Right now, we're the subject of much eye-rolling on both sides of the family.

The big things coming up are a trip MrsTasty is supposed to take with her sister to their hometown. That's a few days each way on the road, then a week in town, and it would involve lots of eating out and socializing, and then a wedding in COVID Central...er Florida this autumn, and if we miss that, there will be serious repercussions, but if it were taking place today, we wouldn't be going.
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I think you are very wise. I'm waiting and watching for the next spike to happen. If by some miracle it doesn't and numbers of new cases fall really low over the next 6 weeks, I'll review my position.
 
Everyone in our family gets it. We have a grandbaby 2 hours away that we can't visit in person (Zoom visits) because my eldest stepdaughter works as a bartender in a restaurant. She wears a mask, but both she and her husband have a small bubble of friends they hang out with, and that can't be trusted because no one knows who the other people come in contact with, and are they always so careful? Plus, is anyone asymptomatic?

In-laws and my sister are in our bubble, and I KNOW that they don't socialize with anyone but us. Even then, no hugs, no kisses, outside visits only, and the in-laws stay six feet away from my sister, husband, and me.

I do retail shopping online and either have it delivered or I do curbside pickup, then sanitize everything when I get it home. I have gotten some neat stuff on clearance lately. One store (World Market) offers a 10% discount if you utilize their curbside service and they had also sent me a 30% coupon via email, so I got some really good deals!

It's a strange world we live in but life is too precious to take chances.
 
I am in agreement with all of you sensible people. I have no intentions of contracting that virus. They don't even know what kind of long term damage it does, even if you are asymptomatic or recover quickly. There is some permanent lung damage in many patients and who knows what else.
I am staying in. I would give anything to visit my sister who is a cancer patient but am not doing it. She is probably safe, but she has friends who visit her that I am not so sure of. I do grocery pickups once a week and get everything else delivered somehow. Thank heavens for Amazon. I did go to Lowe's to get mulch and flowers and plants but that was outside, I wore a mask and stayed away from other customers. They had a plastic sheet up between me and the cashier as well. I bought cotton masks with pockets for filters and will make my own filters out of a silk scarf. i read that combining cotton and silk or chiffon reduces your chances of contracting the virus by about 95%. I will wear them if I must go in somewhere, occasionally i have had to go into USPS, the post office or Dollar General. But mostly I refuse to go in anywhere if I can get what I need some other way.
So I don't understand why people think they can do as they please. Before this is over almost everyone will lose someone they love to this virus, and it didn't have to be this way.
 
TastyReuben said:
That's more or less what we're doing, apart from the supermarket stuff. We're still acting like we did after the first week - once weekly shopping trips, not visiting anyone. The only thing we've added is going back to the doctor, as MrsTasty has things going on that can't be ignored for long, and I'm getting bags of mulch every so often (and my flowers earlier). All those activities have been deemed fairly low-risk, as long as masks and distancing are employed, which we do.

What we're not doing:

Visiting people
Getting haircuts
Sit-down dining (in or out)
Non-food in-store shopping (like clothes and such)

We've got some of the family upset with us, as were the lone holdouts as far as visiting goes. Everyone is getting back together again (not that we did much of that before), but we're not. My parents want us to come over, but they go out every day and don't wear masks, my sister wants us to come over and see her new kitchen, wants us to come over and eat, wants to come over and eat, wants to meet to eat, and we have a niece in town for the summer, showing off her new baby, and we're going to have to skip that (but babies don't do much for us anyway, so that's not a big deal for us). Right now, we're the subject of much eye-rolling on both sides of the family.

The big things coming up are a trip MrsTasty is supposed to take with her sister to their hometown. That's a few days each way on the road, then a week in town, and it would involve lots of eating out and socializing, and then a wedding in COVID Central...er Florida this autumn, and if we miss that, there will be serious repercussions, but if it were taking place today, we wouldn't be going.
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I have to go to Houston in a few weeks. My dad is having his second round of eye surgery and I need to take him to that, and the related appointments. My parents, as I have mentioned, don't take the virus as seriously as I do, so I'm not looking forward to five days with them. Oh, yeah, Houston new cases are at an all-time high.

CD
 
Yes, my brother lives in Houston (well actually Missouri City, which CD knows is a suburb of Houston). He is actually working out of town, but his wife is there. She makes masks and sells them for non-profit to benefit animal shelters. I bought some of hers and they are very well-made. Anyway, I know she is a smart cookie, she uses Whole Foods delivery and stays out of stores.

Stay well, CD, hope your dad's surgery goes well and that your whole family stays safe.
 
caseydog said:
I have to go to Houston in a few weeks. My dad is having his second round of eye surgery and I need to take him to that, and the related appointments. My parents, as I have mentioned, don't take the virus as seriously as I do, so I'm not looking forward to five days with them. Oh, yeah, Houston new cases are at an all-time high.

CD
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Yeah, I read about the Houston cases skyrocketing. Stay safe. I hope your dad's surgery goes well, also. MrsTasty had cataract surgery on both her eyes last year.
 
epicuric said:
More confusion here today. The former Chief Scientific Officer, Prof. Dave King, released a statement this morning warning that it was too early to ease out of lockdown. A couple of hours later, Bungling Boris announced that based on advice from the current Chief Scientific Officer it is now safe to do so. I know who I believe. The advice is now that we should stay 2m apart, unless you can't, in which case 1m is fine, but 1m+ would be better. Confused yet? Unlimited number of members of two households can meet at home together, but only two at any one time but it can be a different two at another time. In other words, I can entertain every family in the village in my home, say, consecutively, 1 hour each for the entire week. Or only six people from different households at any one time in my garden. Unless we all go to the pub when it re-opens next week, whereby none of these rules apply. If I am confused, what about the terminally stupid in society, of which there are many - most of them were in Tesco this morning. Rules need to be simple, clearly communicated and well understood to have even the slightest chance of being followed. All this on the day that Germany, previously having done a rather better job of things than us is having to re-impose lockdown due to a second wave of infections. I really do despair. Is it too early for a drink?
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Bottoms up,lol.

Russ
 
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