How is the corona virus affecting you?

[madebyyouandi]

Wow. How old are you?

CD

52.

 

[garlichead]

I see the coverage of what's going on in Europe and the North America and then I compare it to what's going on here in Japan... The statistic on the news here is something like 90% + of the people who died of Covid were over 70 and those who were hospitalized have mostly over 50 and had co-morbidities. Zero deaths from people under 20 and very few under 50 unless they lead a workaholic lifestyle.

From the beginning, it seems to me the main factors determining outcome are age and the person's health condition. I wish I'd see more from the media about getting into shape and eating 'right' as a preventative for Covid.

So for me, Covid hasn't affected my life at all (here). I've not met anyone who's caught it.

Yeah, those numbers are turning out to be the norm in just about every country, which was evident from the beginning of the pandemic. They are in Canada.

 

[flyinglentris]

I have taken note that there has been no discussion in this forum of what is termed 'long covid', 'covid symptoms long haulers' and possible 'long covid' symptoms attributed to vaccinations.

I include here, a link to a Mayo Clinic Long Covid Article to introduce long covid to members and other readers.

The most severe 'long haulers' are folks who experience lung or other organ damage which inflicts continuing problems or symptoms after being infected where the virus itself does that damage to tissue cells. Less severe 'long haulers' experience problems and symptoms related to the effects of auto-immune response to the virus, which can be quite severe in the form of the so called 'cytokine storm' immune response. Not surprisingly, the 'long covid' problems and symptoms which persist after covid infection due to auto-immune response are often less understood and even in many cases, under-reported.

I have come to recognize that I am myself, an auto-immune response 'long hauler'. Shortly after I suffered covid 19 with a massive cytokine storm immune response back in late February, 2020, I began seeing symptoms of psoriasis on my forehead in late March and April of 2020. That has persisted to this date and is not an enjoyable condition by any right. Covid caused psoriasis is under reported and only marginally understood, being stated to often be an aggravation of psoriasis in persons who already have experienced it or in those who have not, but are genetically pre-disposed to psoriasis. Note that psoriasis can be caused by stress where such stress effects the auto-immune system. Psoriasis can be severe enough to effect skin cells over most of the body to the point that people with severe psoriasis leave a dust of dead skin cells where ever they go, noticeable by others, not just by visible dry skin and lesions, but also by the accumulations of dead skin cell dust. Psoriasis treatments may only be marginally effective in that they slow skin cell growth.

Again, there may be many types of auto-immune response 'long covid' problems and symptoms, some not well documented as of yet. And again, the capacity of a vaccination to cause auto-immune 'long covid' problems and symptoms is not well understood or documented. It has been stated that many do not get vaccinated because of a lack of trust in vaccination requirements and perhaps, there are some who are more knowledgeable about this than the rest of us and reject vaccination for what they know. If a person gets infected with the SARS covid virus directly, getting vaccinated later is a mute point, of course, with regard to 'long covid' problems and symptoms.

I edited to add this note: 'long covid' is not a condition of carrying the covid virus for extended periods of time after first infection. It is the long term subsequent appearance of problems or symptoms caused by the initial covid infection (possibly response to vaccinations).

 

[Windigo]

I have taken note that there has been no discussion in this forum of what is termed 'long covid', 'covid symptoms long haulers' and possible 'long covid' symptoms attributed to vaccinations.

I include here, a link to a Mayo Clinic Long Covid Article to introduce long covid to members and other readers.

The most severe 'long haulers' are folks who experience lung or other organ damage which inflicts continuing problems or symptoms after being infected where the virus itself does that damage to tissue cells. Less severe 'long haulers' experience problems and symptoms related to the effects of auto-immune response to the virus, which can be quite severe in the form of the so called 'cytokine storm' immune response. Not surprisingly, the 'long covid' problems and symptoms which persist after covid infection due to auto-immune response are often less understood and even in many cases, under-reported.

I have come to recognize that I am myself, an auto-immune response 'long hauler'. Shortly after I suffered covid 19 with a massive cytokine storm immune response back in late February, 2020, I began seeing symptoms of psoriasis on my forehead in late March and April of 2020. That has persisted to this date and is not an enjoyable condition by any right. Covid caused psoriasis is under reported and only marginally understood, being stated to often be an aggravation of psoriasis in persons who already have experienced it or in those who have not, but are genetically pre-disposed to psoriasis. Note that psoriasis can be caused by stress where such stress effects the auto-immune system. Psoriasis can be severe enough to effect skin cells over most of the body to the point that people with severe psoriasis leave a dust of dead skin cells where ever they go, noticeable by others, not just by visible dry skin and lesions, but also by the accumulations of dead skin cell dust. Psoriasis treatments may only be marginally effective in that they slow skin cell growth.

Again, there may be many types of auto-immune response 'long covid' problems and symptoms, some not well documented as of yet. And again, the capacity of a vaccination to cause auto-immune 'long covid' problems and symptoms is not well understood or documented. It has been stated that many do not get vaccinated because of a lack of trust in vaccination requirements and perhaps, there are some who are more knowledgeable about this than the rest of us and reject vaccination for what they know. If a person gets infected with the SARS covid virus directly, getting vaccinated later is a mute point, of course, with regard to 'long covid' problems and symptoms.

I edited to add this note: 'long covid' is not a condition of carrying the covid virus for extended periods of time after first infection. It is the long term subsequent appearance of problems or symptoms caused by the initial covid infection (possibly response to vaccinations).

Well that's interesting regarding the psoriasis. I've had psoriasis all my life, but only on my scalp under my hair. However, since the (likely) covid infection we went through, I've not only had permanent shortness of breath, but also my psoriasis has now found a permanent home in my face that comes on about every 6 to 8 weeks and takes about 2 to 3 weeks to dissapear with meds. I had no idea this was possibly related, as it's also possible for psoriasis to just spread on it's own. Thanks for sharing.

Spoiler: This is what it looks like

 

[garlichead]

I have taken note that there has been no discussion in this forum of what is termed 'long covid', 'covid symptoms long haulers' and possible 'long covid' symptoms attributed to vaccinations.

I include here, a link to a Mayo Clinic Long Covid Article to introduce long covid to members and other readers.

The most severe 'long haulers' are folks who experience lung or other organ damage which inflicts continuing problems or symptoms after being infected where the virus itself does that damage to tissue cells. Less severe 'long haulers' experience problems and symptoms related to the effects of auto-immune response to the virus, which can be quite severe in the form of the so called 'cytokine storm' immune response. Not surprisingly, the 'long covid' problems and symptoms which persist after covid infection due to auto-immune response are often less understood and even in many cases, under-reported.

I have come to recognize that I am myself, an auto-immune response 'long hauler'. Shortly after I suffered covid 19 with a massive cytokine storm immune response back in late February, 2020, I began seeing symptoms of psoriasis on my forehead in late March and April of 2020. That has persisted to this date and is not an enjoyable condition by any right. Covid caused psoriasis is under reported and only marginally understood, being stated to often be an aggravation of psoriasis in persons who already have experienced it or in those who have not, but are genetically pre-disposed to psoriasis. Note that psoriasis can be caused by stress where such stress effects the auto-immune system. Psoriasis can be severe enough to effect skin cells over most of the body to the point that people with severe psoriasis leave a dust of dead skin cells where ever they go, noticeable by others, not just by visible dry skin and lesions, but also by the accumulations of dead skin cell dust. Psoriasis treatments may only be marginally effective in that they slow skin cell growth.

Again, there may be many types of auto-immune response 'long covid' problems and symptoms, some not well documented as of yet. And again, the capacity of a vaccination to cause auto-immune 'long covid' problems and symptoms is not well understood or documented. It has been stated that many do not get vaccinated because of a lack of trust in vaccination requirements and perhaps, there are some who are more knowledgeable about this than the rest of us and reject vaccination for what they know. If a person gets infected with the SARS covid virus directly, getting vaccinated later is a mute point, of course, with regard to 'long covid' problems and symptoms.

I edited to add this note: 'long covid' is not a condition of carrying the covid virus for extended periods of time after first infection. It is the long term subsequent appearance of problems or symptoms caused by the initial covid infection (possibly response to vaccinations).

We don't know what we don't know. Translated it means anything is possible, therefore everything is possible and the internet is full of opinion that confirms this. The first question to ask yourself in regards to long covid is how many symptoms you can relate to and does psoriasis show up on any lists for long haulers. Cheers and take care.

 

[MrsDangermouse]

I had Moderna booster too last week, after having two AZ but luckily suffered no side effects other than a sore arm for two days.

Sadly my side effects are still ongoing - the fatigue and stomach pains have gone away but the sore arm is getting worse and I now have swollen lymph nodes. I decided that they were bad enough to submit a MHRA yellow card report.

 

[flyinglentris]

We don't know what we don't know. Translated it means anything is possible, therefore everything is possible and the internet is full of opinion that confirms this. The first question to ask yourself in regards to long covid is how many symptoms you can relate to and does psoriasis show up on any lists for long haulers. Cheers and take care.

Yes, psoriasis does show up as being aggravated or onset by covid and after infections, lasts as a long covid symptom. Further, I just found a NIH reference that a vaccine has caused the onset of psoriasis (Pfizer 2nd dose). Here's one more NIH reference. You can dispute what is heard on the web, but the NIH (National Institute of Health) is not going to put forth opinions when they deal in facts.

Sorry garlichead . You just can't dismiss long covid problems and symptoms as something made up by opinions on the web. If you had followed the links in my original post, you would have found that they refer to reputable sources as well. The 'long covid' term is realistically applied to the incidence of post covid infection problems and symptoms which continue for some time, from 4 weeks or more, possibly indefinitely. And clearly, the NIH presents the case where a vaccine has caused the onset and/or flareup of psoriasis as a long covid problem/symptom.

Cheers back at you.

 

[garlichead]

Yes, psoriasis does show up as being aggravated or onset by covid and after infections, lasts as a long covid symptom. Further, I just found a NIH reference that a vaccine has caused the onset of psoriasis (Pfizer 2nd dose). Here's one more NIH reference. You can dispute what is heard on the web, but the NIH (National Institute of Health) is not going to put forth opinions when they deal in facts.

Sorry garlichead . You just can't dismiss long covid problems and symptoms as something made up by opinions on the web. If you had followed the links in my original post, you would have found that they refer to reputable sources as well. The 'long covid' term is realistically applied to the incidence of post covid infection problems and symptoms which continue for some time, from 4 weeks or more, possibly indefinitely. And clearly, the NIH presents the case where a vaccine has caused the onset and/or flareup of psoriasis as a long covid problem/symptom.

Cheers back at you.

I'm in no way disputing your condition and I hope you get better sooner than later. I know a few people with psoriasis and it's not pleasant that's for sure. I'm also not disputing long covid at all, it exists more than people realize. Both of those links talk about the deleterious effects on psoriasis after being vaccinated and not about the actual virus causing that. It's possible they're linked to your vaccinations. I suspect there's quite a bit about the vaccines we don't know about yet.

 

[flyinglentris]

I'm in no way disputing your condition and I hope you get better sooner than later. I know a few people with psoriasis and it's not pleasant that's for sure. I'm also not disputing long covid at all, it exists more than people realize. Both of those links talk about the deleterious effects on psoriasis after being vaccinated and not about the actual virus causing that. It's possible they're linked to your vaccinations. I suspect there's quite a bit about the vaccines we don't know about yet.

I have never had psoriasis before March 2020 when it first appeared on my forehead and scalp, just weeks after my tangle with the actual covid virus in late February 2020. That was long before vaccinations were a reality. I fear that psoriasis is now, for me, a permanent condition that I will just have to live with and am lucky to be older and not in my 20s or 30s when I would want to look my best, for friends, romance, etc.

The fact that contributing NIH researchers have demonstrated that vaccines do cause 'long covid' problems/symptoms sheds a new light on why some people refuse to be vaccinated. As you confirm, psoriasis is not pleasant. And no, I have no idea what other 'long covid' problems/symptoms may be onset or flared by vaccinations, except for that short list that is quoted in the Mayo Clinic Article . But for a young woman or a young man in the 20s to 40s, psoriasis is enough of a reason to fear vaccination and take chances with not being infected by covid, given that they know that vaccination can cause it. I can't say what I would do, if I were in my 20s to 40s and had not first had been infected by covid, whether I would want to get vaccinated, if I knew that the vaccine might cause something like psoriasis. It would now appear, knowing that the NIH demonstrates vaccines can cause 'long covid' issues like psoriasis, that a lack of trust is not the issue for some, who are aware of the fact that vaccines have been demonstrated to have the potential to cause them a lifetime issue such as psoriasis. I empathize with those folks and hope that they don't pay, possibly with their lives, by tangling with the actual virus, without being vaccinated.

I do not have a clue what the incidence or rate is of people being vaccinated, who later suffer 'long covid' issues from vaccination. I hope that it is small. The covid pandemic absolutely needs to at least, be ameliorated, if not eliminated.

 

[garlichead]

The fact that contributing NIH researchers have demonstrated that vaccines do cause 'long covid' problems/symptoms sheds a new light on why some people refuse to be vaccinated.

Where has the NIH demonstrated that vaccines do cause long haul? Separately they both do cause long term consequences for sure, but covid long haul symptoms are the effect from being infected from the actual covid19 virus and where they derived the symptoms and then named the condition.

 

[flyinglentris]

Where has the NIH demonstrated that vaccines do cause long haul? Separately they both do cause long term consequences for sure, but covid long haul symptoms are the effect from being infected from the actual covid19 virus.

Whether psoriasis is caused by the actual covid virus or the vaccine for the virus seems not to be worth arguing. The ultimate auto-immune system mechanics involved is likely without difference. The body sets up production of immune agents which attack, not just the virus, but the body as well. Those agents are probably the same or very similar in both cases. My 'long haul' psoriasis was virus triggered, not vaccine. Had it been vaccine triggered, what difference could be argued?

 

[garlichead]

Whether psoriasis is caused by the actual covid virus or the vaccine for the virus seems not to be worth arguing. The ultimate auto-immune system mechanics involved is likely without difference. The body sets up production of immune agents which attack, not just the virus, but the body as well. Those agents are probably the same or very similar in both cases. My 'long haul' psoriasis was virus triggered, not vaccine. Had it been vaccine triggered, what difference could be argued?

As long as it makes sense to you.

 

[Windigo]

As long as it makes sense to you.

You do realise that psoriasis is an autoimmune disorder, and that it is well known that both covid and the vaccines can trigger an autoimmune response causing issues in some individuals?

I have been diagnosed with Asthma since having had Covid, whether that is long Covid ( most likely, it was before we could test) or just was potentially present but triggered by the infection will remain unknown. Fact is with 4 autoimmune conditions, I am predisposed to them anyway.

 

[garlichead]

You do realise that psoriasis is an autoimmune disorder, and that it is well known that both covid and the vaccines can trigger an autoimmune response causing issues in some individuals?

I have been diagnosed with Asthma since having had Covid, whether that is long Covid ( most likely, it was before we could test) or just was potentially present but triggered by the infection will remain unknown. Fact is with 4 autoimmune conditions, I am predisposed to them anyway.

Yes I'm aware that psoriasis is an autoimmune disorder and yes I'm aware that both covid19 and the vaccines do effect the immune systems/response which I've clearly stated above "Separately they both do cause long term consequences" That isn't the argument though and I don't think I can make my point any clearer. One is a virus and the other a vaccine which both can effect the immune system and also cause autoimmune disfunctions. There's hundreds of medical conditions that are effected by our immune system like celiac disease, IBS, Type 1 diabetes, multiple sclerosis, rheumatoid arthritis to name a few which both the virus and the vaccines will have an effect on, psoriasis can be effected by both like any other autoimmune condition. Long covid is a condition caused by the virus and not the vaccine is that any more clear.

 

[Windigo]

Long covid is a condition caused by the virus and not the vaccine is that any more clear.

Yeah, I said both vaccines and covid can cause long term effects because the vaccines still trigger an immune response, just the one given by the vaccine sound be milder than a fulltime fledged covid infection without prior inoculation.

Not sure why you think I am disagreeing with you about that. Also not sure why you seem to seperate long covid from other autoimmune responses