How is the corona virus affecting you?

Windigo said:
Yeah, I said both vaccines and covid can cause long term effects because the vaccines still trigger an immune response, just the one given by the vaccine sound be milder than a fulltime fledged covid infection without prior inoculation.

Not sure why you think I am disagreeing with you about that. Also not sure why you seem to seperate long covid from other autoimmune responses
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Vaccines actually lessen the likelihood of death and severe outcomes for the groups with the highest comorbidities which also have the weakest immune systems from diseases that effect the inflammatory pathways like heart disease, diabetes 2, obesity, cancer etc.

So while the vaccines effect or immune system, it's generally in a positive way. All the vaccines have been tested for side effects and a few billion have been administered and the studies are out there for your viewing. Try google scholar.

The vaccine doesn't trigger an immune response like the virus does because they have different jobs and destinations. Both rely on the immune system to deliver their cargo, one being the virus the other the cure. The job of the vaccine is to make sure the key doesn't fit into the lock basically, so it bungs up the hole where the key goes, well at least most of the time, it's about 85-95% effective and the reason why some people still end up on ventilators and/or die. Right now it's mostly the unvaccinated but in populations where most are vaccinated it's the vaccinated who are dying. For example last month in the UK 2500 seniors died of covid. 2000 were double vaccinated and 500 were unvaccinated simply because that demographic was close to 99% double vaxxed.
 
Windigo said:
Another press conference tonight. Lockdown will most likely be extended
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On a brighter note the r naught number (reproduction rate) which is vital in tracking the spread in a community has been going lower for 25 strait days and is now lower than most countries including Canada, Japan and India who's r numbers have always been pretty low. When that happens case counts start to drop soon after and it has in the Netherlands for 16 straight days. The data for Hospitalization and ICU admissions also have been going down since the 28th of November but world data hasn't undated the Netherlands since the 5th of Dec. which is mostly a clerical thing coming from the Netherlands. Your probably right about the lockdown restrictions though, it's hard for them as a gov't to ease restrictions during the worst case count they've had and considering the time of year where the virus spreads the most and less we forget, Omicron. Cheers and stay safe.
 
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garlichead said:
On a brighter note the r naught number (reproduction rate) which is vital in tracking the spread in a community has been going lower for 25 strait days and is now lower than most countries including Canada, Japan and India who's r numbers have always been pretty low. When that happens case counts start to drop soon after and it has in the Netherlands for 16 straight days. The data for Hospitalization and ICU admissions also have been going down since the 28th of November but world data hasn't undated the Netherlands since the 5th of Dec. which is mostly a clerical thing coming from the Netherlands. Your probably right about the lockdown restrictions though, it's hard for them as a gov't to ease restrictions during the worst case count they've had and considering the time of year where the virus spreads the most and less we forget, Omicron. Cheers and stay safe.
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The government has already announced the lockdown will be extended. The question is only which measures will be eased and or tightened.
 
garlichead said:
Vaccines actually lessen the likelihood of death and severe outcomes for the groups with the highest comorbidities which also have the weakest immune systems from diseases that effect the inflammatory pathways like heart disease, diabetes 2, obesity, cancer etc.

So while the vaccines effect or immune system, it's generally in a positive way. All the vaccines have been tested for side effects and a few billion have been administered and the studies are out there for your viewing. Try google scholar.

The vaccine doesn't trigger an immune response like the virus does because they have different jobs and destinations. Both rely on the immune system to deliver their cargo, one being the virus the other the cure. The job of the vaccine is to make sure the key doesn't fit into the lock basically, so it bungs up the hole where the key goes, well at least most of the time, it's about 85-95% effective and the reason why some people still end up on ventilators and/or die. Right now it's mostly the unvaccinated but in populations where most are vaccinated it's the vaccinated who are dying. For example last month in the UK 2500 seniors died of covid. 2000 were double vaccinated and 500 were unvaccinated simply because that demographic was close to 99% double vaxxed.
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Be aware. Covid vaccines are NOT a cure. They are meant to pre-condition people's immune systems to have the immune agent production that will ameliorate the covid virus impact should it be encountered. By doing so, the virus is less likely to flourish to strengths that will be more certainly given to great damage or fatal, because the body is predisposed to produce immune agents to block it. But that does not prevent or destroy the virus like a cure would. It only weakens its capacity to flourish to any great strength by limiting its capacity to reproduce within the cellular machinery of the human body. However, it is those introduced vaccine immune agents which turn on the body's immune response to the virus and in some folks, cause immune system inflamation of tissues in their own bodies as well, in the same way as if, their immune system had adapted to the virus on its own to produce those agents.
 
flyinglentris said:
Be aware. Covid vaccines are NOT a cure. They are meant to pre-condition people's immune systems to have the immune agent production that will ameliorate the covid virus impact should it be encountered. By doing so, the virus is less likely to flourish to strengths that will be more certainly given to great damage or fatal, because the body is predisposed to produce immune agents to block it. But that does not prevent or destroy the virus like a cure would. It only weakens its capacity to flourish to any great strength by limiting its capacity to reproduce within the cellular machinery of the human body. However, it is those introduced vaccine immune agents which turn on the body's immune response to the virus and in some folks, cause immune system inflamation of tissues in their own bodies as well, in the same way as if, their immune system had adapted to the virus on its own to produce those agents.
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Yep, it's what I've been saying all along. I'm glad you agree.
 
I just saw a story about researchers training dogs to sniff out covid, and alert you if they detect the virus. They tried the same thing with cats, and the cats were able to sniff out the virus, but wouldn't alert anyone.

Too soon?

CD :D
 
Hubby's Christmas works do has had to be cancelled on the day - today. three of his colleagues has been confirmed (at lunchtime today) as a primary contact of someone who tested positive today. they were with then at the weekend.

I'd already baled on it due to a couple of reasons including me having just had a chest infection (it responded to antibiotics so bacterial, nothing more) but also because of issues with what the restaurant were serving as vegan.... basically we'll remove (but not replace) the cheese from a baked aubergine that included both cheese & yoghurt... Hubby had to point out to them that the dish contained yoghurt, and asked them exactly what they were going to serve... a baked aubergine was all we got from them. We'd really wanted to go to it because his boss is moving to another city and it would have been the last Christmas meal together.

Maybe after Christmas?
 
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Windigo said:
Lockdown extended to january 14.

No significant changes. Restaurants, hotels & bars still bear the brunt of it.

I dare predict this will stay the same until march. They said the would prolong the measures indefinetely for now.
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This virus is a whipper. You seemed to be damned, if you do and damned, if you don't. But as it is deadly, I think people need to comply with their government's efforts to control it, no matter what their private and personal feelings are. There is a social demand for some degree of personal sacrifice. People should at least comply with the mask and distancing demands.
 
flyinglentris said:
There is a social demand for some degree of personal sacrifice.
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I wish more people realised this and stopped putting themselves first all the time. guess I'm getting into the "old bunch/generation! "

still waiting to see what happens over Christmas with Sydney. the new premiere of NSW is taking the opposite approach to the old one. she was tighten and lockdown when things got bad. he's removed restrictions, even for the non-vaxxers. infections are 3 to 4 times higher now than when he took over and that's only the figures from the weekend, not yesterday.
 
It's winter in the northern hemisphere and viruses love the indoors especially with inadequate ventilation. Get vaccinated. First person I know personally just died of covid last week and he was unvaccinated. It's not that vaccinated people aren't dying of covid because they are it's just more difficult for the virus to do it's job. Omicron could be the variant that could change everything and reduce symptoms to flu like. fingers crossed.
 
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