How is the corona virus affecting you?

You are entitled to your opinion and beliefs from what you read, that was never my issue with your post. You are still missing my entire point. It was your choice of words (below):
"...with the widespread infection of covid within the population and with that comes natural immunity that we know is better than vaccinated immunity..."

To be fair, garlichead did say it was 'just his opinion':

I suspect and this is just my opinion but with the widespread infection of covid within the population and with that comes natural immunity that we know is better than vaccinated immunity with having both giving much more protection

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Can I ask once again that posts are succinct and to the point. Its very difficult for people to respond to posts that are several paragraphs long. Thankfully, on this forum we are or more or less singing to the same hymn sheet regarding Covid. We don't tolerate anti-vax propaganda. So really, there is not much to argue about except the fine detail.
 
To be fair, garlichead did say it was 'just his opinion':



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Can I ask once again that posts are succinct and to the point. Its very difficult for people to respond to posts that are several paragraphs long. Thankfully, on this forum we are or more or less singing to the same hymn sheet regarding Covid. We don't tolerate anti-vax propaganda. So really, there is not much to argue about except the fine detail.
Agreed, but it was the incongruent juxtaposition of the words "opinion" and "we know". Those two things do not belong in the same sentence. My argument was more of a linguistics thing.

And I am really going to work now, really. Bye everyone!
 
We do know being infected with covid19 has given natural immunity to that popuation. The dispute seems to be in the USA where they want everyone vaccinated and don't recognize natural immunity, that's a political matter that I don't bother with, but the rest of the world has accepted natural immunity.

Ummm, the people who have had Covid 19 twice might beg to differ. From the Journal, Science ...

More people are getting COVID-19 twice, suggesting immunity wanes quickly in some

I suppose we could consider reinfection a "booster" for the anti-vax crowd. Not a booster I would care to get.

CD
 
Ummm, the people who have had Covid 19 twice might beg to differ. From the Journal, Science ...

More people are getting COVID-19 twice, suggesting immunity wanes quickly in some

I suppose we could consider reinfection a "booster" for the anti-vax crowd. Not a booster I would care to get.

CD
Never disputed that. That's been known since last year. Reinfection is common for both CD. Like I mentioned yesterday Ontario had 4100 new cases yesterday and 2977 were double vaxxed. No mention of previously infected but there was a group referred to as vaccine status unknown which was 153 people and unvaccinated was 905, maybe some of those were previously infected.

SARS-CoV-2 reinfection and the natural immune response

Antibody Response and Variant Cross-Neutralization After SARS-CoV-2 Breakthrough Infection

Breakthrough infections generate ‘super immunity’ to COVID-19, study suggests

COVID-19 reinfection: the role of natural immunity, vaccines, and variants
 
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A good vid to pass on to anyone that isn't vaccinated. Also a decent explanation about vaccinations in general.
Take back to the beginning, lol.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GY_Wge_C0I4
That was a good video, I watched/listened to it on my phone (since my computer doesn't have speakers). The only thing I didn't like was that he said that young people and children typically don't get as sick. That would lead a lot of young-er people to think they don't need to worry about getting vaccinated. But he didn't clarify what "young" is, does he mean early 20s, early 30s, or what? My adult stepchildren and their significant others probably think they are considered young (27-38) and for the most part they are, but my oldest stepdaughter's fiancé is in his late 30s and is actually getting closer to being middle-aged.

My husband was talking to his daughter (who lives in Austin, Texas) earlier today and she was at a testing site since two of her vaccinated co-workers tested positive. Their boss made them all go get tested to just be safe. She actually had covid-19 in March of 2020 so she probably had some antibodies from alpha or a previous strain. She never got vaccinated. Her dad suggested to her on the phone she should go get vaccinated, and she said, "Why bother? I'm probably going to get covid anyway." And then she had to go so he didn't have time to tell her that it would likely help keep her from getting really, really sick.
 
That was a good video, I watched/listened to it on my phone (since my computer doesn't have speakers). The only thing I didn't like was that he said that young people and children typically don't get as sick. That would lead a lot of young-er people to think they don't need to worry about getting vaccinated. But he didn't clarify what "young" is, does he mean early 20s, early 30s, or what? My adult stepchildren and their significant others probably think they are considered young (27-38) and for the most part they are, but my oldest stepdaughter's fiancé is in his late 30s and is actually getting closer to being middle-aged.

My husband was talking to his daughter (who lives in Austin, Texas) earlier today and she was at a testing site since two of her vaccinated co-workers tested positive. Their boss made them all go get tested to just be safe. She actually had covid-19 in March of 2020 so she probably had some antibodies from alpha or a previous strain. She never got vaccinated. Her dad suggested to her on the phone she should go get vaccinated, and she said, "Why bother? I'm probably going to get covid anyway." And then she had to go so he didn't have time to tell her that it would likely help keep her from getting really, really sick.
Right, I'd have to watch it again to find out the context of that statement, and I will and let you know what I think. I will say that for example in Ontario where I live where there's been just over 10,000 deaths there's been 7 deaths for people under 19. Yeah, March 2020 wouldn't be the Alpha, that didn't show up until around Sept 2020 and around Dec.2020 in the US so it was probably the early Wuhan variant, which was the variant that the vaccines were originally meant to manage.

Think of antibodies as front line soldiers who attach the initial infection and regardless of whether a person was naturally infected or was vaccinated these are going to wane naturally, that is what happens naturally. The reason antibodies wane is because it can effect the bloods viscosity and cause lots of problems and even death, so the body protects itself and slowly removes the antibodies from our system, this is just a basic description of what happens.

So now what happens is the virus enters our nasal passages and we become re infected. The backup immune system then kicks in in the absence of antibodies which is our B cells and T cells, which then produce new antibodies but it takes 1 or 2 days for the B and T cells to ramp up production of antibodies and why most people that are re infected don't end up in the hospital or die and just have light symptoms. The vast majority of ICU patients are from the unvaccinated. Studies have shown that the B cells and T cells bring back the original protection percentages after a year out, I'd have to look for the studies and I'll post them at a later time. Everyone should get vaccinated regardless and a booster for the most vulnerable just for starters. Of course the vaccines weren't designed for the Alpha Or Delta, so another reason why re infection is higher but again our B and T cells still kick in and protect us, and again why ending up in the ICU or death is very low. Of the 2977 vaccinated people in my Province of Ontario that tested positive, none ended up in ICU. There was no breakdown of the demographics of those 2977 people but we do know in Ontario that it's the 20-50 year old groups that are the getting re infected the most, so I suspect that is probably the case.

So yes his daughter probably still has protection but she should definitely get vaccinated or at least 1 vaccination because that has shown to be extremely more protective than either natural or vaccinated protection on their own. Not being vaccinated makes no sense at all. Cheers.
 
Right, I'd have to watch it again to find out the context of that statement, and I will and let you know what I think. I will say that for example in Ontario where I live where there's been just over 10,000 deaths there's been 7 deaths for people under 19. Yeah, March 2020 wouldn't be the Alpha, that didn't show up until around Sept 2020 and around Dec.2020 in the US so it was probably the early Wuhan variant, which was the variant that the vaccines were originally meant to manage.

Think of antibodies as front line soldiers who attach the initial infection and regardless of whether a person was naturally infected or was vaccinated these are going to wane naturally, that is what happens naturally. The reason antibodies wane is because it can effect the bloods viscosity and cause lots of problems and even death, so the body protects itself and slowly removes the antibodies from our system, this is just a basic description of what happens.

So now what happens is the virus enters our nasal passages and we become re infected. The backup immune system then kicks in in the absence of antibodies which is our B cells and T cells, which then produce new antibodies but it takes 1 or 2 days for the B and T cells to ramp up production of antibodies and why most people that are re infected don't end up in the hospital or die and just have light symptoms. The vast majority of ICU patients are from the unvaccinated. Studies have shown that the B cells and T cells bring back the original protection percentages after a year out, I'd have to look for the studies and I'll post them at a later time. Everyone should get vaccinated regardless and a booster for the most vulnerable just for starters. Of course the vaccines weren't designed for the Alpha Or Delta, so another reason why re infection is higher but again our B and T cells still kick in and protect us, and again why ending up in the ICU or death is very low. Of the 2977 vaccinated people in my Province of Ontario that tested positive, none ended up in ICU. There was no breakdown of the demographics of those 2977 people but we do know in Ontario that it's the 20-50 year old groups that are the getting re infected the most, so I suspect that is probably the case.

So yes his daughter probably still has protection but she should definitely get vaccinated or at least 1 vaccination because that has shown to be extremely more protective than either natural or vaccinated protection on their own. Not being vaccinated makes no sense at all. Cheers.
Preaching to the choir!

They say that antibodies wane in people who had covid about the same way they do in vaccinated people, and it's been well over 6 months since she had covid, so she is vulnerable.

She isn't a forum member, obviously, and she gets her information mostly from her friends' Facebook posts or other social media outlets, which is typical for that age group. We have been telling her to get vaccinated since summer. Deaf ears.

Edited to state summer because originally I said spring and her age group wasn't eligible then.
 
Preaching to the choir!

They say that antibodies wane in people who had covid about the same way they do in vaccinated people, and it's been well over 6 months since she had covid, so she is vulnerable.

She isn't a forum member, obviously, and she gets her information mostly from her friends' Facebook posts or other social media outlets, which is typical for that age group. We have been telling her to get vaccinated since spring. Deaf ears.
Yes antibodies wane regardless and I talked about that above. Both will still be able to make new antibodies but it's easier to either get vaccinated or get boosted and top up for better protection against that initial infection.

You can lead a horse to water. There will be a percentage of the population that will never accept vaccinations, full stop.

Not just antibodies: B cells and T cells mediate immunity to COVID-19
 
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Yes antibodies wane regardless and I talked about that above. Both will still be able to make new antibodies but it's easier to either get vaccinated or get boosted and top up for better protection against that initial infection.

You can lead a horse to water. There will be a percentage of the population that will never accept vaccinations, full stop.

Not just antibodies: B cells and T cells mediate immunity to COVID-19
I remember quite a bit about the immune system from pathophysiology class. I enjoyed that class much more than I did anatomy. Cutting into cadavers creeped me out.
 
I remember quite a bit about the immune system from pathophysiology class. I enjoyed that class much more than I did anatomy. Cutting into cadavers creeped me out.
That would creep most people out I think. Yeah, the B and T cell are activated by the 'adaptive' part of the immune system, fascinating stuff the human body is.
 
That would creep most people out I think. Yeah, the B and T cell are activated by the 'adaptive' part of the immune system, fascinating stuff the human body is.
I still did really well in that class. I found a guy in the class who was struggling and not squeamish to be my lab partner and he didn't mind doing most of the cutting and touching the cadavers. I taught him as much as I could and he didn't fail. I remember going home and washing my lab coat every night because I smelled like formaldehyde and I couldn't stand it. Most other students kept their coats in their lockers and didn't seem bothered by it. I can still put all the bones in a human skeleton back together correctly. The fact that I was a massage therapist for 10 years in my late 20s and into my 30s helped a lot (I didn't go back to school until I was in my late 40s), since I already knew the names of most of the muscles and bones in the body and of course I had a pretty good understanding of nerve pathways, veins, arteries, etc.

Anyway, yes, for sure, the human body is a wonder. The way the brain works is very fascinating...and I have met some really stupid smart people in my life. It really amazes me that there are healthcare workers (especially the doctors) who won't get vaccinated. Ridiculous, right?
 
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The way the brain works is very fascinating...and I have met some really stupid smart people in my life. It really amazes me that there are healthcare workers (especially the doctors) who won't get vaccinated. Ridiculous, right?
I believe getting vaccinated is the safest bet against hospitalization and/or death.
 
A new complication is happening right now in much of Texas. Cedar fever. Cedar fever is when someone is having an allergic reaction to the pollen that comes from Ashe juniper trees that are all over the State. Cedar pollen is usually released in December and lasts until February, crossing over with flu season. This makes it hard to know if you have Covid, or not. They share some symptoms. There is not an actual fever, unless the reaction morphs into a sinus or chest infection. But, it can feel a lot like the flu.

I'm experiencing it now. I'm wondering if I should get a Covid test tomorrow, before traveling to Houston for Christmas with family. I am taking my temperature a few times a day, and so far, nothing unusual. I am pretty much controlling the symptoms of sneezing, runny nose and cough with over-the-counter meds.

CD
 
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