Not here, people brag about it, and damn near everyone says they had it.
How is the corona virus affecting you?
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rascal
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Maybe it's only in Portugal? Everyone I know who got it and told me about it was ashamed to tell and some people I know were infected made a bit of a secret out of it, I found out from others that they were infected...Not here, people brag about it, and damn near everyone says they had it.
rascal
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Got asked for double jab papers to eat in a restaurant 2 nights ago. First time.
This bs is going to last for years !!
Russ
This bs is going to last for years !!
Russ
garlichead
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Canada today was 11,309 new cases and 23 deaths. Infection in Canada has gone up over 500% in the last few weeks, mostly Omicron. Hospitalizations and death are steady and actually trending down slightly.
Yeah, last winter was the beginning of Delta and before the vaccine rollout and where there was very little natural immunity within the population, basically a ticking time bomb. Dry kindling and Delta just swept over most of Europe with little resistance and a lot of people died and a lot of people got infected as well
Last January was the start of the vaccine rollouts and a pretty high number of people with natural immunity from being infected earlier and it's generally accepted that about 1/3 of the population of most Countries were infected with Delta last winter and then most of that population got vaccinated as well. Basically populations now have pretty good stores of immunity regardless of some waning and then quite a few have had boosters.
Omicron now that it's here and being much more infectious will again sweep through the population very quickly, much faster than Delta, but preliminarily speaking hospitalizations and death are much much lower with flu like symptoms and it appears from the data from South Africa, Denmark, the UK, USA and Canada the people in ICU are pretty much the unvaccinated and most others are just sent home. Cheers.
The hope is that it becomes endemic and like I've said for the last month I'm cautiously optimistic that that is going to happen.
Unfortunately there will be a new variant coming but hopefully it does what normally happens when viruses mutate and that's become less virulent. Personally I would like to see less fear mongering because countries are starting to shut completely down over Omicron and that simply isn't what the data should dictate in my opinion.
garlichead completely agree with you, I am pro-vaccine but I feel a bit defrauded that with our high vaccination rates and number of deaths and hospitalizations so much lower than last year, my country is still imposing restrictive measures and countries are closing down, didn't we achieve what we wanted with the vaccines already? Anyway I feel like there's something I'm missing, I'm not a virologist or a public health expert,I don't have access to all the data and knowledge they do, and if they decide these measures are needed I trust them I'm just a bit baffled that's all.
garlichead
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Yes it is mind boggling but if you look at the example Dr. Campbell pointed out the US president Biden said that "The Omicron virus spread more rapidly than anyone thought" direct quote. You would think that the US president would be advised by the best scientists in the world. I've been following Dr. Angelique Coetzee, the person that first observed the variant in South Africa and I follow a half a dozen others and they all knew it was more infectious back in early November, it was the first thing that was observed.
Hopefully Countries catch on that it appears less virulent and make adjustments to any mitigation going fwd and hopefully by the spring we have a society that resembles a society. Will they relinquish their power, that's a different conversation entirely.
Good News: Pfizer's new Covid Treatment medicine has been approved for use. Bad News: It is going to take a while to make enough of it.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/22/health/pfizer-antiviral-pill-authorized/index.html
CD
https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/22/health/pfizer-antiviral-pill-authorized/index.html
CD
garlichead
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It's efficacy is based on patience who would stay at home and not go to the hospital, basically people that are symptomatic and neither have had any vaccines or have been naturally infected and it then reduced hospitalization and death by 30%, which isn't bad if you haven't had any protection at all but I wonder who that customer would be then? The unvaccinated I presume who also have never been exposed to covid. Who knows, maybe they'll take a pill, they should, but will they.
I have a problem with this advice:
"Paxlovid is not recommended during pregnancy and in people who can become pregnant and who are not using contraception. Breastfeeding should be interrupted during treatment. These recommendations are because laboratory studies in animals suggest that high doses of Paxlovid may impact the growth of the foetus."
EMA issues advice on use of Paxlovid (PF-07321332 and ritonavir) for the treatment COVID-19: rolling review starts in parallel - European Medicines Agency
On 14 December 2021, Pfizer announced that the combination of nirmatrelvir with ritonavir, when given within three days of symptom onset, reduced the risk of hospitalization or death by 89% compared with placebo in 2,246 high-risk participants studied.
Pfizer and the FDA/CDC have all made it clear that this is NOT a substitute for vaccination.
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JAS_OH1
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I own Pfizer stock, since 2016.
garlichead
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Right 89%. I was thinking of molnupiravir. The protection from the vaccines would make this drug redundant, so I understand why it's not a substitution. Hopefully the unvaccinated buy it, any help is better than none.
JAS_OH1
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I was chatting with a friend of mine via text just now, haven't talked to her since August. Just found out she had Covid-19 in late September, she was double vaxxed. She said she was so sick she considered going to the hospital.
I'm less confident about the vaccines than I was since the virus has mutated so much. Better than no vaccine but not optimal. So the pill might be good for breakthrough cases too.
I'm looking forward to getting a dose of Moderna's new omicron vaccine when it is released.
garlichead
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Yeah, the double vaxxed don't qualify.
Personally I still have confidence in the vaccines because even if it wanes the reduction is a relative risk reduction and not total risk reduction. So if we have lets say a 90% chance of living from the vaccines that translates into a 10% chance of hospitalization and/or death and if the vaccine efficacy is reduced say from 90% to 40% that's a 50% drop in protection/efficacy. That translates into a 50% increase risk from the 10% risk we have so now your relative risk is 15% and not 60%.
Now that she's been infected and is also double vaxxed I would suspect she's very well protected going forward, that is the ideal scenario apparently, and I do agree with that based on the study trials done that show that.
I suspect that the CDC, main stream media and Pharma have no choice but to start educate people about natural immunity, B cells and killer T cells or will begin to look like idiots in the world sphere, because they don't get much respect as it is, so I think that will happen soon, and it should have been part of the conversation to the public right from the beginning imo.
We're going to see mostly breakthrough infection especially in Countries that have high vaccination rates, and that is exactly what's happening, it's happening in Canada now with Omicron with around 2000 breakthrough infections a day in Ontario with only a couple of hospitalizations and no ICU, all the ICU are unvaccinated.
Most of the Europe, Asia and North America are either double vaxxed, and have a decent population with natural immunity and breakthrough infection. Basically the vast majority of people that get infected and I'd say everyone is going to get infected at some time or another will get through this just fine and have just flu like symptoms which is what's happening in all Countries so far. Our 2 years of natural immunity, being double vaxxed and boosted has led us to this point where these Countries are well protected, but we paid a handsome price for that situation, unfortunately. If this was the beginning of the pandemic then we would have been leveled and be in deep dodo. imo.
this is only my opinion folks.
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JAS_OH1
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But she had delta. She's not boosted yet. She drives a school bus and thinks that's where she got covid. She will probably end up getting omicron at some point.
It's my in-laws I worry about, especially MIL.