True, I'm afraid! 1919, Italian immigrants to Manhattan.
The closest thing in Italy would probably be Sicilian spicy salami or Schiacciata salami from Calabria.
Italian heros/subs/grinders/hoagies et al
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The closest thing in Italy would probably be Sicilian spicy salami or Schiacciata salami from Calabria.
I do remember the first time I saw a British fellow eat a burger with a knife and fork.
Now, polite guest to the country I was, I daren’t say anything, just smiled pleasantly, but later, when he picked his slice of cake up with his hand and ate it that way, I thought maybe I’d landed on Bizzaro Earth, where everything is opposite. I kept looking around for Rod Serling.
Back to Italian sandwich subs, here are my two favorite sandwiches from a local pizza chain (LaRosas):
Note the alternate spelling, “hoagy,” and the plural (seen elsewhere on the menu) is “hoagys” - ouch!
badjak
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I'm late to the party and totally confused.
We have subways and the bread is always straight from the oven, then filled with whatever you like.
Then reheated or not, whichever you prefer
We have subways and the bread is always straight from the oven, then filled with whatever you like.
Then reheated or not, whichever you prefer
You’re actually pretty close to it - it started out asking whether you heat your Italian sandwiches or not, then took a little turn around various names for Italian sandwiches (and deli meat sandwiches in general), then turned again to talk about what exactly are Italian meats and deli meats, and somehow, we got onto pizza and burgers for a minute there, and now we’re at the appropriateness of mayonnaise on an Italian sub (and of course, like bacon, mayonnaise makes everything better, but I didn’t say that…).
It’s like coming back to your favorite suspense sci-fi show after an unexpected 3-year hiatus. Ya gotta get the recap!
msmofet
🌹 Still trying to get it right. 🤷♀️
I don't usually like any hero/sub on toasted/browned Italian/French bread. I think it makes it messy to eat. The insides tend to be pushed out the sides.
On that note, I think I will go make tuna salad sub/hero. On seeded semolina Italian bread, untoasted. Tuna salad (mayo and maybe onion/celery), red wine vinegar on bread first (on both sides, with salt, ground pepper) then tuna salad, and then some arugula.
On that note, I think I will go make tuna salad sub/hero. On seeded semolina Italian bread, untoasted. Tuna salad (mayo and maybe onion/celery), red wine vinegar on bread first (on both sides, with salt, ground pepper) then tuna salad, and then some arugula.
SandwichShortOfAPicnic
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I’ve been back to page one and I still don’t know what makes these things different.
A grinder is a hoagie thats been grilled is what I’ve gleaned.
But what is a Hoagie? Does it refer to the shape of the bread or the type of sandwich and how does a sub roll compare?
If someone could fill this in, in the clearest possible fashion explaining the difference that would be rather useful -
A Hero is -
A Hoagie is -
A Sub is -
A Grinder is -
And any clue of these words etymology?
A grinder is a hoagie thats been grilled is what I’ve gleaned.
But what is a Hoagie? Does it refer to the shape of the bread or the type of sandwich and how does a sub roll compare?
If someone could fill this in, in the clearest possible fashion explaining the difference that would be rather useful -
A Hero is -
A Hoagie is -
A Sub is -
A Grinder is -
And any clue of these words etymology?
Did you read the Wiki page I posted, because it answers these questions.
SandwichShortOfAPicnic - I didn’t mean that to sound like, “Google it, lazybones!” - it’s just that it’s succinctly explained there, in one concise place.
I especially like how they explain there are 13 regional names for such sandwiches, including very specific ones like “spuckie” in South Boston - grinder, for example means a hot sub in Philly area…but means any sub, hot or cold, where my wife is from in upstate NY.
I especially like how they explain there are 13 regional names for such sandwiches, including very specific ones like “spuckie” in South Boston - grinder, for example means a hot sub in Philly area…but means any sub, hot or cold, where my wife is from in upstate NY.
SandwichShortOfAPicnic
Legendary Member
That’s probably on a page after I started the Baileys.. 😂
Edit: Nope it wasn’t I just missed it. Ooh cool, you’re gonna be my first apple emoji! 👏
I’m going to predict, though, that it may raise more questions than it answers.
It’s a funny sociological thing, though - a while back, there was a discussion on all the various regional names for rolls/baps/butties in the UK, and the conversation was somewhat reversed, in that the British folks here were saying, “Yeah, makes perfect sense, because that’s a roll from Upper Burpingham, so it’s called that, but in Great Fartsworth, it’s proper to call it this…but it’s more or less the same thing.” - and it was us Americans scratching our heads and saying, “Huh? What? Run that by me again, please!”
badjak
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And poor me is not from the UK and not from USA and I'm confused like there's no tomorrow.
On top of that, I don't have Baileys
G&T should work though
On top of that, I don't have Baileys
G&T should work though
SandwichShortOfAPicnic
Legendary Member
The wiki link makes it clear that it’s pretty much lots of names for the same thing.And poor me is not from the UK and not from USA and I'm confused like there's no tomorrow.
On top of that, I don't have Baileys
G&T should work though
Do you have a ‘subway’ sarnie place? If so then what they serve is the kind of thing, just lots of variations on a theme.
Hmm I wonder if my new flour could make a good sub roll?!
Rumor has it, this is really what started that whole mess between us in 1776:And poor me is not from the UK and not from USA and I'm confused like there's no tomorrow.
On top of that, I don't have Baileys
G&T should work though
Colonials: It’s a sub!
Regulars: It’s just a sandwich, really!
Colonials: No! We’ll also accept hoagie, hero, grinder, or even spuckie if you’re in Bostontown, but never ‘just a sandwich!’
Regulars: Sorry, we’re still confused and not quite sure what to order at Ye Olde Tavern…can we just get sandwiches all round, with some of that pepperoni you’ve invented but apparently don’t mind crediting to the Italians? It’s quite good, really!”
Colonials: Oh, you’ve done it now, mates! To arms, liberty-loving hoagie men! ‘Out the pub if you won’t say sub!”
Regulars: What’s happening right now?
msmofet
🌹 Still trying to get it right. 🤷♀️
To me, they are ALL the same, A SANDWICH on Italian/French/long loaf of bread. They are just called a different name depending on where you are. THEN to confuse even more, in the south USA - New Orleans (NOLA), Louisiana, there are Po' boys. LOL
What is in a traditional po-boy?
What is a po-boy sandwich? Piled with lettuce, tomato and pickles and filled with roast beef, fried shrimp, oysters–or whatever you choose–po-boys are stuffed and slathered with sauce or mayonnaise, and then served between two long pieces of French bread.